Re: List managers [Was: Link usability]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 5:10 PM doug <doug@safeport.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, Pete Wright wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 3/21/23 12:22, possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 07:49:11PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ah, right.  Yet another consequence of the regressive move from
> >>> mailman plus pipermail to mlmmj is loss of clickable links in the
> >>> archived messages.  Duh!
> >> Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for the move?
> >>
> >> My opinion:
> >> Mailman has its warts but it's ubiquitous and well suited for
> >> a world where almost everything has to be done in the browser
> >> for $REASONS.
> >>
> > my understanding is that mailman was tied to python2, and the next
> version of
> > mailman (v3 iirc) that supports python3 is incompatible with the
> previous
> > version.  i think it also had a bunch of other shortcomings/issues.  so
> i
> > suspect the lift to use mlmmj was easier than moving to mailman v3.
> >
> > i agree its an unfortunate situation, but its i think it would be
> > irresponsible to rely on python2 for such critical infrastructure.
> >
> Boo on the mailman project. There is a conversion utility that takes care
> of the syntax changes. The only maajor changes I hit were the MySQL, and a
> couple of DNS modules. In something as complex as mailman I am sure there
> was more but relative to just maintaining something that complex well
> within there Python knowledge I would assume.


I have run Mailman2 since 2005. I am currently running Mailman3.
Mailman2 relied on Python2.7. Mailman3 relies on Python3.
There is a migration script for Mailman2 to Mailman3.
The installation for Mailman3 is better done in a Python Virtual
Environment.
Being a FressBSD SysAddmin since I encountered FreeBSD in 1997, I can
authoritatively say that it is very easy to migrate.
And IF anyone needs assistance to migrate their Mailman2 lists to Mailman3,
I am willing to hold their hands.
Perhaps I should document the whole process. It is quite easy.
The only challenge I have faced is the startup script for controlling
Mailman3, but I have a rudimentary one that works.
I am running Mailman3 on FreeBSD 13- RELEASE, if it matters.
I tried Sympa, but waah. Never again.
If anyone has questions, I am willing to respond to them. All of them.
If you have been running Mailman2, the move to Mailman3 is the most
painless!!


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