Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

Because they all follow the same concept. The startup text is useless in
that stage of the OS. If i need it for troubleshooting, dmesg can provide
it. IMHO, no text or no splash are irrelevant if they don't speed up the
boot process. Until we find a way to deal with this, it all boils down to
how the end users like to see when their FreeBSD machine boots up.

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:58 Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

> Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text
> screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that work if it has
> broken (it used to work great).
>
> Warner
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10 AM Maku Bex <zagazaw2004@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember that quiet/silent != fast. You might as well ask for a "pretty"
>> splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security
>>> Mail) wrote:
>>> S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective.
>>> My motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project.
>>> Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the
>>> FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going
>>> well.
>>>
>>> This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current
>>> winner".
>>> This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good
>>> features.
>>>
>>> But this particular thing is a misfeature.  I find it a big problem that
>>> computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing
>>> something.
>>> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95.  This is
>>> not a
>>> feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity.  It is a
>>> problem
>>> and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop
>>> market.
>>> As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion.
>>> Was OSX
>>> more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX
>>> instead
>>> of FreeBSD?
>>>
>>> Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to
>>> optionally
>>> enable silent boot are welcome.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gleb Smirnoff
>>>
>>>