Need an environment for dynamic web content for freebsd.org

[Murray Stokely]

Apparently there is a MoinMoin plugin for voting that we're going to
look at.  This doesn't really seem to be exactly what we're looking
for because we are not looking to hold elections -- we want to accept
new items, allow users to vote and comment on existing items, and
present a sorted list of the most highly ranked items, so I'd still be
happy if anyone can present other solutions we should investigate.

             - Murray

On 3/19/08, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu at freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:21:01AM +0000, Vadim Goncharov wrote:
>  > >> No. Not PHP. Ever. Forget.
>  > >>
>  > >>  It should at least cgi or, as aforemetioned, a wiki-like page. There can be
>  > >>  already some wiki engines which allow voting.
>  > > I've not seen any useful voting mechanism implemented on a wiki.
>  > > Pointers?  CGI is exactly the kind of 15 year old stagnant web
>  > > technology we are trying to get away from. We need quick templating,
>  > > sessions, high level UI libraries, etc..
>  >
>  > Yes.
>  >
>  > > All of which things like PHP, Python/Django, etc.. provide.
>  >
>  > They all provide, except PHP :) Every serious PHP project is reinventing
>  > template system, database abastraction layers
>
>
> Because PHP's DBI implementation sucks horribly.  One of the worst
>  things about it is that it doesn't support placeholders/binds in query
>  strings.  Another horrible aspect is that there's a separate API
>  function name per DBI, rather than using a standard calling convention
>  and let you pick a database driver to use (like perl and most other
>  languages).
>
>  The only reason people use PHP -- and that includes me (yes, I speak
>  fluent PHP) -- is because it's *convenient*.  It interfaces with
>  webservers in a much "nicer" way, and has a significant number of API
>  functions that are more web-friendly than, say, perl.
>
>  And don't even get me started on how to debug PHP.  I hope you enjoy
>  using print/echo repetitively throughout code.
>
>  I have no interest in Python, because any language which treats
>  whitespace and tabs differently can rot (even assemblers don't behave
>  this way!).  And I will strangle whoever recommends Ruby or Ruby on
>  Rails.
>
>
>  > >       - Murray (who doesn't know/use PHP, but knows that the freebsd
>  > > web presence is notably missing something like it)
>  >
>  > Anything but PHP. Don't choose that buggy, slow, immanently insecure
>  > technology. Please.
>  >
>  > P.S. You can see http://tnx.nl/php for a short summary of PHP drawbacks. Even
>  > Perl is much better.
>
>
> I would agree with this.  One can accomplish great things with
>  p5-libwww.
>
>  The existing CMSs out there (for both PHP and perl) are either horribly
>  written, or bloated beyond belief.  The same goes for most Wiki
>  software, again regardless of PHP or perl.
>
>  Then again, all said comments are coming from a person who's very much a
>  minimalist.  :-)
>
>
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>  | Jeremy Chadwick                                    jdc at parodius.com |
>  | Parodius Networking                           http://www.parodius.com/ |
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