Re: Docker

On 17 April 2023 10:07:17 pm AEST, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker
 > has been
 > and it is a great tool.

If you mean Polytropon, my take is that you've missed that he's skillfully using a tool called "damning with faint praise".

 > I may agree that these reasons aren't heavily
 > based on the code's sophistication.

Parsing failure; pass.

 > But hey,who says that this is enough to
 > decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the critical mass
 > of people ?

Ah, "critical mass" theory.  Meaningless unless seeking a nuclear explosion.

 > Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like me and many
 > others.

Many FreeBSD users are clearly not looking to increase the number of non-skilled users for the sake of a larger number to wave around.  I suspect most would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a competition; we're not selling anything, right?

If you wish to see anything implemented in FreeBSD you have the choice of doing it yourself, or paying somebody else to create, debug and maintain it.

Continually arguing that someone ELSE should implement YOUR vision is clearly going nowhere.  Nor will claiming there is some mob of silent users whose views you are championing cut any ice.

 > Jails are good,technically well coded,but less known,they exude an
 > excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate to
 > use (and
 > this seems to be a contradiction).

WTF does 'exude excessive technicality' mean?  That you haven't read the docs?

 > For sure I don't want to import in the
 > FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in windows, where developers
 > prefer
 > to sacrifice too much technicality in exchange to an exaggerated ease
 > of
 > use. I don't want that tool to think for me. I use my PC to train my
 > mind
 > to solve problems every day,but if those problems are too
 > complicated,I
 > can't solve anything and I can't help no one to test how the
 > development of
 > a tool is going.

Indigestible word salad.  Burp.

 > I know that many will disagree,but each operating
 > system
 > has strengths and weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a
 > certain cultural background and has fed them since its origins.

You're talking about thousands of people over 40 years or so in BSD's case.  Try studying the history more deeply.

 > FreeBSD has lagged in the
 > adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this makes
 > it
 > intuitive to understand how to use it.

And Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the start.  Sadly the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BSDs can use from Linux.

 > If you don't want to adapt docker to
 > FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable and
 > immediate
 > for users who don't have much experience.

Once YOU become experienced in their use, YOU can help make them 'more usable' for those with perhaps limited capacity to understand - but please stop suggesting OTHERS work on YOUR stuff.


 > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33 PM Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
 > 
 > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
 > > > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be
 > distributed
 > > > by any capable admin, granted.
 > >
 > > And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people.
 > > One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things
 > > for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web
 > interface.
 > > The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a
 > > contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,
 > > and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)

Amen.