Re: git: af93fea71038 - main - timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern

From: Jake Freeland <jake_at_technologyfriends.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:17:34 UTC
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 4:12 PM Jake Freeland <jake@technologyfriends.net>
wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:19 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
>> Added cc for Jake
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:17 AM Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:29:48PM +0000, Warner Losh wrote:
>>> > commit af93fea710385b2b11f0cabd377e7ed6f3d97c34
>>> >
>>> >   timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern
>>> >
>>> >   Move the timerfd impelemntation from linux compat code to sys/kern.
>>>
>>> Could you quickly summarize why we need these linuxish bits in FreeBSD?
>>> We've lived for years without it.  Had expected to find the rationale
>>> in DR but alas. :(  Thanks,
>>>
>>
> The amount of software designed exclusively for Linux grows every day.
> Support for FreeBSD is almost always done on behalf of FreeBSD
> contributors, not the program developers.
>
> I do not want to play the cat-and-mouse game of constantly updating shims
> so we can support Linux software. I would rather take the sensible* parts
> of Linux and integrate them into core FreeBSD.
>
> My goal is not to turn FreeBSD into Linux, but rather to stay relevant in
> an age where most younger developers don't even know what BSD is. We should
> spend more resources on Linux program support, so younger audiences can use
> their Discord web apps natively on FreeBSD.
>

Sorry, this should say "Discord desktop apps", not "web apps".

Jake Freeland


>
> Absorbing "linuxish" bits is controversial and I think that is a tragedy.
> In my eyes, having "linuxish" features is one of the best ways to ease the
> jump between Linux and FreeBSD, and minimize the maintenance needed for
> FreeBSD support.
>
> *
> https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mountain-of-technical-debt/
>
> Jake Freeland
>
>
>> I'll let Jake answer this and
>>
>> > glibc misc/tst-timerfd test fails now under Linux emulation
>>
>> I think his new review https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41600 addresses this
>> issue maybe
>>
>> Warner
>>
>