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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 4:12=E2=80=AFPM Jake Freeland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:19=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wro= te: > >> Added cc for Jake >> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:17=E2=80=AFAM Alexey Dokuchaev >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:29:48PM +0000, Warner Losh wrote: >>> > commit af93fea710385b2b11f0cabd377e7ed6f3d97c34 >>> > >>> > timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern >>> > >>> > Move the timerfd impelemntation from linux compat code to sys/kern. >>> >>> Could you quickly summarize why we need these linuxish bits in FreeBSD? >>> We've lived for years without it. Had expected to find the rationale >>> in DR but alas. :( Thanks, >>> >> > The amount of software designed exclusively for Linux grows every day. > Support for FreeBSD is almost always done on behalf of FreeBSD > contributors, not the program developers. > > I do not want to play the cat-and-mouse game of constantly updating shims > so we can support Linux software. I would rather take the sensible* parts > of Linux and integrate them into core FreeBSD. > > My goal is not to turn FreeBSD into Linux, but rather to stay relevant in > an age where most younger developers don't even know what BSD is. We shou= ld > spend more resources on Linux program support, so younger audiences can u= se > their Discord web apps natively on FreeBSD. > Sorry, this should say "Discord desktop apps", not "web apps". Jake Freeland > > Absorbing "linuxish" bits is controversial and I think that is a tragedy. > In my eyes, having "linuxish" features is one of the best ways to ease th= e > jump between Linux and FreeBSD, and minimize the maintenance needed for > FreeBSD support. > > * > https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mountain-of-tec= hnical-debt/ > > Jake Freeland > > >> I'll let Jake answer this and >> >> > glibc misc/tst-timerfd test fails now under Linux emulation >> >> I think his new review https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41600 addresses this >> issue maybe >> >> Warner >> > --000000000000c2976806040239ae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 4:12=E2=80=AFPM J= ake Freeland <jake@technol= ogyfriends.net> wrote:
= On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:19=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
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Added cc for Jake

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:17=E2=80= =AFAM Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:29:48PM +0000, Warner Lo= sh wrote:
> commit af93fea710385b2b11f0cabd377e7ed6f3d97c34
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Move the timerfd impelemntation from linux compat code to = sys/kern.

Could you quickly summarize why we need these linuxish bits in FreeBSD?
We've lived for years without it.=C2=A0 Had expected to find the ration= ale
in DR but alas. :(=C2=A0 Thanks,
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The amount of software designed exclusively=C2=A0fo= r Linux grows every day. Support for FreeBSD is almost always done on behal= f of FreeBSD contributors, not the program developers.

=
I do not want to play the cat-and-mouse game of constantly updating sh= ims so we can support Linux software. I would rather take the sensible* par= ts of Linux and integrate them into core FreeBSD.

= My goal is not to turn FreeBSD into Linux, but rather to stay relevant in a= n age where most younger developers don't even know what BSD is. We sho= uld spend more resources on Linux program support, so younger audiences can= use their Discord web apps natively on FreeBSD.

Sorry, this should say "Discord desktop = apps", not "web apps".

Jake Freelan= d
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Absorbi= ng "linuxish" bits is controversial and I think that is a tragedy= . In my eyes, having "linuxish" features is one of the best ways = to ease the jump between Linux and FreeBSD, and minimize the maintenance ne= eded for FreeBSD support.

=C2=A0
Jak= e Freeland


I'll let Jake= answer this and

> glibc misc/tst-timerfd test = fails now under Linux emulation

I think his new re= view=C2=A0= https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41600 addresses this issue maybe

Warner
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