Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT)
"Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:

> > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:03:05 -0700
> > Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:02:14AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> > > S> > laptops. If somebody is using vt(4) instead of X on a laptop, then  
> > > S> 
> > > S> This change disable bell in X11 too.
> > > S> This is completly disable speaker bell.  
> > > 
> > > Are you sure? I haven't yet upgraded my desktop to this point, so can't test.
> > > How is that possible that vt(4) affects X11?
> > > 
> > 
> > He could be right.  I don't use vt, but syscons also has a bell setting:
> > sysctl -d hw.syscons.bell hw.syscons.bell: enable bell
> > 
> > With this set to 1 a ^G in xterm results in a beep.  After setting the
> > sysctl to 0 a ^G in xterm produces no sound at all.
> 
> I also suspect that this kills "visual bell" which is a bright
> flash of the terminal.

 There is no visual bell in vt(4) and this doesn't affect
xterm*visualBell obviously.
 But yes this does affect the bell in xterm (and so I guess any other
terminal that default to have a bell) but that was also the point of
this change.

> We need to STOP these "I dont like the 20 year old defaults,
> so I am going to change them to what I like and use"  It is NOT
> forward progress on making a better system, it is tilting at
> defaults, very long established defaults, that should probably
> just be left alone.

 It's not "I don't like", it's "We don't like". If we can't change
FreeBSD default to what most of our users want I don't know why we're
still working on this OS.

> I dont like a lot of the defaults on a lot of OS's, I tweak them
> to my needs.  FreeBSD keeps tweaking things such that I have to
> tweak my tweaks to keep things as I see fit.  THAT IS A POLA VIOLATION!
> 
> -- 
> Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org 

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