From nobody Fri Oct 22 17:47:17 2021 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4FA18036C2; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:47:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HbWyN5yHGz3JJV; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1634924837; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=MS3L86jMWBBrEQK0itcL7Smid7266DiIBpHeqrAB+Fo=; b=uZS/K3t7yaVMVlyn2+CphzadWaWBpvUnXiE8+lLhBKykTXAvhq37j0tVwYmEO9Q5zD8u38 mDadJY422T/RGjzx0otpebwMamlfvonByW6rcLAvBKCYSaJUXy+LmAIKaUpm8MttwlFly3 LKbkm9YDUQfPVOWjbSjLdHLqyItPXW4= Received: from skull.home.blih.net (lfbn-idf2-1-644-191.w86-247.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.247.100.191]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 881b6cd2 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:47:17 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , gljennjohn@gmail.com, Gleb Smirnoff , Slawa Olhovchenkov , src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-Id: <20211022194717.8c94d2fa302339b55882497f@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: <202110221704.19MH4FDn075994@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <20211021192020.6dcb95c1@ernst.home> <202110221704.19MH4FDn075994@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HbWyN5yHGz3JJV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:03:05 -0700 > > Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:02:14AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > S> > laptops. If somebody is using vt(4) instead of X on a laptop, then > > > S> > > > S> This change disable bell in X11 too. > > > S> This is completly disable speaker bell. > > > > > > Are you sure? I haven't yet upgraded my desktop to this point, so can't test. > > > How is that possible that vt(4) affects X11? > > > > > > > He could be right. I don't use vt, but syscons also has a bell setting: > > sysctl -d hw.syscons.bell hw.syscons.bell: enable bell > > > > With this set to 1 a ^G in xterm results in a beep. After setting the > > sysctl to 0 a ^G in xterm produces no sound at all. > > I also suspect that this kills "visual bell" which is a bright > flash of the terminal. There is no visual bell in vt(4) and this doesn't affect xterm*visualBell obviously. But yes this does affect the bell in xterm (and so I guess any other terminal that default to have a bell) but that was also the point of this change. > We need to STOP these "I dont like the 20 year old defaults, > so I am going to change them to what I like and use" It is NOT > forward progress on making a better system, it is tilting at > defaults, very long established defaults, that should probably > just be left alone. It's not "I don't like", it's "We don't like". If we can't change FreeBSD default to what most of our users want I don't know why we're still working on this OS. > I dont like a lot of the defaults on a lot of OS's, I tweak them > to my needs. FreeBSD keeps tweaking things such that I have to > tweak my tweaks to keep things as I see fit. THAT IS A POLA VIOLATION! > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org The future is now, old man -- Emmanuel Vadot