Who uses calendar(1)? (was: svn commit: r553259 - in head/deskutils/calendar: . files)
Mathieu Arnold
mat at freebsd.org
Tue Oct 27 11:36:11 UTC 2020
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 01:57:12PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 26 October 2020 at 6:59:15 -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
> > In message <20201026030214.GC19841 at eureka.lemis.com>, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey"
> > wri
> > tes:
> >>
> >>
> >> --Md/poaVZ8hnGTzuv
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >> Content-Disposition: inline
> >>
> >> On Sunday, 25 October 2020 at 18:37:34 -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
> >>> In message <20201026012126.GB19841 at eureka.lemis.com>, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey"
> >>> wri
> >>> tes:
> >>>>> Anticipating the next step: removal of calendar from base, entirely.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's a bit late for that. We discussed this at length (too much
> >>>> length for some people) on arch@, and we came to the agreement that
> >>>> the base calendar(1) is a Good Thing, and only the data files needed
> >>>> to go somewhere where they can be shared amongst projects.
> >>>>
> >>>> FWIW, *all* OSs that I've seen, with the possible exception of
> >>>> Microsoft, have calendar(1). It serves a useful purpose. What's your
> >>>> problem with it?
> >>>
> >>> The Linux distros I know of don't provide it, even as an optional RPM.
> >>
> >> The machine I have access to, running Debian Testing, has it
> >> apparently as a standard installation. Nobody on the system had asked
> >> for it. But yes, I was surprised, too.
> >
> > At $JOB we maintain about 1500 Linux, Solaris and AIX servers, with a few
> > Linux and FreeBSD appliances, the remaining 8000 being Windows and a
> > growing number of OpenShift containers of which I lost count. The
> > workstations are gone, though many of us propeller heads still maintain
> > VirtualBox VMs for our own use. (I personally rather use git on a Linux or
> > FreeBSD machine than on Windows -- management decision.)
> >
> > Why I mention all the details above is that my clients never ask for a
> > calendar utility. Their contractors who develop containers haven't either.
> > That world is gone.
>
> For them, maybe. You don't say who your clients are, just the
> platforms they use.
>
> >>> IMO it's usefulness is questionable, especially with the multitude
> >>> of tools that already do the same thing.
> >>
> >> There is? I haven't found anything similar. That was one of the
> >> things we discussed on arch@, but we came up empty-handed. If you
> >> could come up with links, that would be very useful.
> >
> > Today's tools use iCalendar files and protocols.
>
> That sounds like Apple. Do we have something non-graphic that works
> on FreeBSD? And note that even Apple supplies calendar(1) on Mac OS.
Sure, there is deskutils/py-vdirsyncer to sync calendars/contacts,
deskutils/py-khal for calendars, and deskutils/py-khard for contacts, to
name a few.
--
Mathieu Arnold
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