confirming bugs is bad behavior, etc.

[Alfred Perlstein]

Jo, I'm trying to get FreeBSD to consider not supporting
another "6.4" or "5.5" as both seems to have some of the problems
you're describing due to a the next gen -stable being out
for so long sucking away developer time.

As a user, what do you think about this?

I hate to force users to upgrade, but I also hate to potentially
be falsly advertising "stability" when there might not be enough
maintainers to keep that true.

Thoughts?

-Alfred

* Jo Rhett <jrhett at netconsonance.com> [081201 12:28] wrote:
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:59 AM, George V. Neville-Neil wrote:
> >I have mostly stayed away from these threads because they've often
> >devolved into unproductive finger pointing.
> >
> >Please leave the hyperbole out of your posts, or at least attempt to
> >cut it back.  People on these lists are working quite hard to solve
> >problems for the whole of the FreeBSD community and your posts, such
> >as this one, are not helping us to move forward.
> 
> 
> My posts have always been directed at solving very real, operational  
> problems with using FreeBSD on server platforms, which is exactly the  
> stated goal for freebsd.  I have always offered not only problems, but  
> resources to help test or evaluate the issues, and serious  
> considerations for ways to improve the process.
> 
> Yes, you're right.  Threads I start about real problems always devolve  
> into unproductive finger pointing.  That would be the freebsd  
> developers attacking the reporter for identifying a real, operational  
> problem.  Take a look at the posts of the FreeBSD developers, and view  
> for yourself the unprofessional attacks and personal insults hurled by  
> them at people who are simply trying to get real problems resolved.
> 
> And yet, instead of asking your developers to stop violating the  
> posted rules of the mailing list, you are asking a bug reporter who  
> simply informed another bug reporter that their problem was both  
> widespread and not limited to USB devices to stop posting to the  
> list.  Because god knows that "yes we saw it too and it's widely  
> reported" is bad behavior.  Much worse that personal attacks which are  
> strictly against the list rules.
> 
> Yes, I'm sure that the personal attacks really do help drive freebsd  
> development forward.  Much more so than me bringing resources and  
> actually testing things does.
> 
> Now that Core has clearly spoken their mind on this issue, by refusing  
> to ask freebsd developers to avoid violating the list charter and then  
> publicly calling out someone for just saying "yeah, it's a widely  
> reported problem" ... leaves any doubt that positive change is going  
> to happen here.
> 
> Your request is accepted.  I'm unsubscribing now.
> 
> -- 
> Jo Rhett
> Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source  
> and other randomness
> 
> 
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