freebsd-stable Digest, Vol 209, Issue 1
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Date: 2007-6-4 下午8:00
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Today's Topics:
1. (no subject) (Jeffery Stone)
2. Re: Sysinstall replacement (Ivan Voras)
3. Re: Sysinstall replacement (Ian Smith)
4. Re: Sysinstall replacement (Craig Boston)
5. Re: Unrecognized archive format with RELENG_6_2 and RELENG_6
(Robin Gruyters)
6. Re: Sysinstall replacement (Ivan Voras)
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Message: 1
Date: 3 Jun 2007 12:07:01 -0500
From: Jeffery Stone <jeffstone01 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: (no subject)
To: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20070603170701.19748.qmail at ns1.xpress.com.mx>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:36:15 +0200
From: Ivan Voras <ivoras at fer.hr>
Subject: Re: Sysinstall replacement
To: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
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Maxim Vetrov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Are there any plans to replace sysinstall? AFAIK there is the
> BSDInstaller flying :-) around, is it considered as a valid option?
See http://wiki.freebsd.org/finstall .
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:20:58 +1000 (EST)
From: Ian Smith <smithi at nimnet.asn.au>
Subject: Re: Sysinstall replacement
To: Ivan Voras <ivoras at fer.hr>
Cc: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ivan Voras wrote:
> Maxim Vetrov wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Are there any plans to replace sysinstall? AFAIK there is the
> > BSDInstaller flying :-) around, is it considered as a valid option?
>
> See http://wiki.freebsd.org/finstall .
I like your parallel development paradigm; I guess the challenge is
keeping POLA correspondence with equivalent sysinstall functionality,
without being stuck with some of sysinstall's, er, quirkiness.
Appreciate the GEOM stuff being essential for today's RAID setups, but
maybe you could show equivalent device nodes, in brackets as it were,
as well as geom_labels, for we ancient reptiles too?
More power to you.
Cheers, Ian
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:58:07 -0500
From: Craig Boston <craig at feniz.gank.org>
Subject: Re: Sysinstall replacement
To: Ivan Voras <ivoras at fer.hr>
Cc: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20070604055757.GA2379 at nowhere>
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On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:36:15AM +0200, Ivan Voras wrote:
> See http://wiki.freebsd.org/finstall .
Somewhat tangental, the only thing that really jumps out at me is this:
> I propose the UFS+gjournal be the default FS type (even for
> root+boot?)
I think this is not such a good idea. While I like gjournal, and use it
quite a bit, I don't think it's suitable as a default.
For one thing, with default settings, it carves out a full GB of usable
space from each filesystem that it's used on. This would prove highly
surprising to new users, especially on smaller filesystems such as /var,
and may well cause them to think FreeBSD uses a highly inefficient
filesystem.
Also, gjournal journals *everything*, not just metadata. When the data
and journal are on the same physical device, as they would be in most
setups that take the defaults, all write operations are effectively done
twice (modulo any write-combining). Again, this probably wouldn't be
expected for a default and would lead to perceived slowness.
Both of these are quite acceptable tradeoffs for what gjournal does, but
the user should be aware of them before choosing to employ it. I think
it would be wonderful to have in the installer, just not as the default.
I also don't think that ext2 should be offered in the installer, as
there have been periodic stability problems with it, and new users
accustomed to Linux may pick it out of habit and get bitten.
Craig
P.S. I pretty much never use sysinstall anymore, preferring to set up
things as gjournal and geli using Fixit mode, then just extract the
tarballs into the new filesystems. Having a good standalone
partitioning tool would be nice though, as doing all the math by hand
can be tedious. Any chance that the module that handles that could be
set up so it's possible to use it independently?
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:16:03 +0200
From: Robin Gruyters <r.gruyters at yirdis.nl>
Subject: Re: Unrecognized archive format with RELENG_6_2 and RELENG_6
To: "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor at gsoft.com.au>
Cc: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20070604101603.f0ki85am800wso0k at server.yirdis.nl>
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Quoting Daniel O'Connor <doconnor at gsoft.com.au>:
> On Friday 01 June 2007 23:39, Robin Gruyters wrote:
>> > What happens if you try
>> > tar -b 128 -tf /dev/sa0
>>
>> Same problem.
>>
>> > What did you upgrade from? Some gnutar using system I guess? (5.x
>> > or 4.x?)
>>
>> I'd upgraded from FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10
>
> OK.
> Can you read the archive as a normal file from the tape? eg dd
> if=/dev/sa0 of=/tmp/foo
>
> If so does it work? Are you getting errors reading from the drive, or
> just the tar file is broken?
>
Nope, it doesn't work.
# dd if=/dev/sa0 of=/data3/tmp/bla
dd: /dev/sa0: Input/output error
0+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes transferred in 0.005972 secs (0 bytes/sec)
#
When setting the correct blocksize, it does work:
# dd if=/dev/sa0 of=/data3/tmp/bla bs=65536 count=32
32+0 records in
32+0 records out
2097152 bytes transferred in 9.698233 secs (216241 bytes/sec)
#
This morning I have revert libarchive (src/lib/libarchive) and tar
(src/usr.bin/tar) back to RELENG_6_1 and surprisingly (or maybe not)
it works fine now.
Maybe tar doesn't use the -b option when listing the content? (-t)
Kind regards,
Robin Gruyters
Network and Security Engineer
Yirdis B.V.
I: http://yirdis.com
P: +31 (0)36 5300394
F: +31 (0)36 5489119
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:18:26 +0200
From: Ivan Voras <ivoras at fer.hr>
Subject: Re: Sysinstall replacement
To: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
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Craig Boston wrote:
> I also don't think that ext2 should be offered in the installer, as
> there have been periodic stability problems with it, and new users
> accustomed to Linux may pick it out of habit and get bitten.
I advocate the opposite view: if it doesn't get exposition, it won't be
fixed.
> P.S. I pretty much never use sysinstall anymore, preferring to set up
> things as gjournal and geli using Fixit mode, then just extract the
> tarballs into the new filesystems. Having a good standalone
> partitioning tool would be nice though, as doing all the math by hand
> can be tedious. Any chance that the module that handles that could be
> set up so it's possible to use it independently?
I'll write the backend, if anyone wants to do the frontend, he's welcome
to it.
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