Upgrading 5.3 > 6.0 buildworld failure now in libmagic

[vizion]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael C. Shultz [mailto:ringworm01 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:32 AM
> To: vizion
> Cc: 'Peter Jeremy'; 'Doug Barton'
> Subject: Re: Upgrading 5.3 > 6.0 buildworld failure now in libmagic
> 
> On Friday 09 December 2005 09:39, vizion wrote:
> > > Vison, you are much better at writting florid prose on how and why
> > > FreeBSD is
> > > such an awful OS run by a team of Techies who care nothing about end
> > > users needs than you are at reading and comprehending simple
> > > instructions.
> > >
> > >  What you write is almost believable, your writing skill is very good
> and
> > > convincing, only in this particualr case I know you are completely
> wrong
> > > and
> > > your failure to follow the simplest advice is why your machine is now
> non
> > > operational.  Quit crying about non relevent issues and concentrate on
> > > solving your real problem - getting that darn machine to boot up.
> > >
> > > One last thought, name one OS that has better documentation than
> FreeBSD
> > > please, comercial or otherwise.  Maybe there is such a beast, if so I
> am
> > > very
> > > curious to know what it is called.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Rather than replying to the list I am emailing you direct and cc onl;y
> the
> > individuals to whom you cc'd your original.
> >
> > Frankly I never ceased to be amazed at diversionary personalized attacks
> > that seem to be a regular occurrence on freebsd lists whenever someone
> > makes friendly but critical observations about freebsd.  There is a
> > touchyness there which is a big deterrent to the engagement of others
> and a
> > tendency to paternalize which, on rare occasions, is an unspeakably ugly
> > aspect of some freebsd interactions.
> >
> > I do not know the root cause of such over-defensiveness I am constantly
> > amazed when old timers do not recognize it. It is time to grow up and I
> > hope something will happen to discourage people from arguing ad
> personam.
> >
> > Your remarks seem to have been written with the deliberate intention of
> > attacking the messenger rather than discussing the message. You did not
> > even aspire to achieving accuracy.
> >
> > The fact the my system did upgrade successfully from 5.3 to 5.4 by
> > following your advice does not give you the right to make false
> assumptions
> > about a failed upgrade from 5.4 to 6.0 that is due to a combination of
> > events that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic under
> discussion,
> > advice that has been given or even freebsd or its documentation. It
> turns
> > out that a motherboard hardware failure was the casue of the upgrade
> > failure.. hence I have to do a total rebuild because the motherboard is
> no
> > longer available.
> 
> 
> And this is your excuse for attacking the FreeBSD organization?  
No  and I have nott attacked "the organization".  The c ritic of the way in
which documentation is  not integrated ionto the freebsd development cycle
was made long before there was any motherboard failure.  I do wish you would
stick to the facts. 



I'm sure
> everyone feels bad for you that you have to get a new motherboard.   I am
> confused as to how better coordination between developers and technical
> writers could have prevented it from failing though.


I have not made that suggestion - only you have put forward that notion --
come on laugh a bit - you are really being a bit wild and cranky over this
<chuckles>. The motherboard failure occurred after the discussion on
documentation not before <GRINZ> you really are missing the point here.
> >
> > As for the use of  perjorative terminology (florid prose) and false
> > accusations - I am really personally very disappointed in your
> reactions.
> >
> > What you seemed to be saying was that you were unable to counter my
> > suggestions which were so unwelcome to you that you chose to attack me
> > personally.
> 
> Your suggestions were irrelevent to the problem at hand. 
My suggestions are very relevant to the documentary errors, omissions and
lack of documentary integration that waste much of the time of many end
users. 
 

My suggestions were, it is true, were off the original topic and came about
as a response to someone else who complained about freebsd documentation and
I responded to him. 

He was strongly critical because the  documentation stated that direct
upgrade from 5.3 to 6.00 was possible when, as you pointed out, it was not. 

I suggest you reread the whole thread with care and look at the sequence of
events instead of massaging a false interpretation events to satisfy a
desire to argue add personam..

> tecnical
> help that is one thing, if you want to improve documentaion that is
> another
> topic with it's own mail list.

I see this as more diversionary BS you could have said:
"Hey david -- sorry I should not have jumped to conclusions"

> >
> > I am disappointed that you react that way to me and even more concerned
> > that those who have been around far less years than I will be
> intimidated
> > by this kind of BS
> >
> > Please grow up
> >
> > david
> 
> One last point, either remove me from the reply to list or place the
> maillist
> back on it, thank you.

I think you owe me an apology - but I doubt I will get it.


OK I will send this to the list
> 
> -Mike