randall hyde's high level assembly!

[Mayuresh Kathe]

On 2015-06-12 15:44, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-06-12 15:11, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Mayuresh Kathe
>> <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2015-06-12 11:24, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe
>> <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2015-06-12 11:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hi matthew,
>> 
>> no luck, I got the following message;
>> root at www:~ # pkg install hla
>> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
>> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date.
>> All repositories are up-to-date.
>> pkg: No packages available to install matching 'hla' have been
>> found in the repositories
>> 
>> `uname -a` gives me the following;
>> FreeBSD www.kathe.in [1] [1] [1] [1] 10.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD
>> 10.1-RELEASE-p10
>> #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015
>> root at amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>> amd64
>> 
>> `freebsd-version` gives me the following;
>> 10.1-RELEASE-p11
>> 
>> anything i might be doing wrong?
>> 
>> ~mayuresh
>> 
>> On 2015-06-12 09:26, Matthew Pherigo wrote:
>> Hey Mayuresh,
>> 
>> There's actually a port in the tree already! 'pkg install hla'
>> 
>> --Matt
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> has anyone been successful at working with randall hyde's high
>> level assembly toolkit under freebsd 10.x?
>> http://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/ [2] [2] [2] [2]
>> claims
>> to
>> have a
>> pre-built archive, but one that fails to assemble the binaries. :(
>> 
>> ~mayuresh
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Is hla able to generate 64-bit machine code for amd64 ?
>> 
>> It seems that it is for 32-bits , i.e. i386 .
>> 
>> i have been able to run and test 'hla' under amd64 systems running
>> ubuntu.
>> any particular reason why it will not run under freebsd 64-bit?
>> one of the things that could be a problem might be the "assembler"
>> itself, i couldn't find "gas" or an equivalent under freebsd.
>> 
>> ~mayuresh
>> 
>> Can you use Nasm ?
>> 
>> CD /USR/PORTS/DEVEL/NASM
>> MAKE INSTALL
>> 
>> http://forum.nasm.us/index.php?topic=1283.0 [3] [3] [3]
>> 
>> thanks for that tip mehmet, much appreciate it.
>> 
>> i hadn't known about "nasm", looking it up led me to a book on
>> assembly language programming by jeff duntemann, which seems to be
>> a
>> lot more realistic than the one by randall hyde.
>> 
>> again, thanks a million mehmet. :)
>> 
>> ~mayuresh
>> 
>> 64 bits operating systems are different from 32 bits operating
>> systems
>> .
>> 
>> During working with assemblers , it is necessary to distinguish
>> this
>> feature .
>> 
>> In a 64 bits operating system , if 32 bits programs will be used ,
>> it
>> is necessary to have 32 bits libraries and support by the operating
>> system .
>> 
>> This means that you can not execute 32 bits programs in a 64 bits
>> operating system without such support .
>> 
>> In the following page :
>> 
>> http://www.duntemann.com/assembly.html [4] [4]
>> 
>> read
>> 
>> "If You Have a 64-Bit PC..."
>> 
>> the especially .
>> 
>> "64-Bit PC" is misleading : It should be "64-Bit Operating System"
>> .
>> 
>> Both Intel and AMD x86 processors mainly support both 32 and 64 bit
>> operating systems : They are able to execute 32 and 64 bit
>> instructions .
>> 
>> Therefore , important points are bit size of ( 32 or 64 ) operating
>> system , and handling capability of this feature by compilers and
>> availability of libraries , and support by the operating system .
>> 
>> It is necessary to have information about 64 bit assembly
>> programming
>> in an 64 bit operating system .
>> 
>> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Intel-Assembly-Language-Programming/dp/1478119209/ref=pd_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=15NZ1SBWCZAMH1X6KPZG
>> [5]
>> [5]
>> 
>> Introduction to 64 Bit Intel Assembly Language Programming for
>> Linux:
>> Second Edition Paperback – June 23, 2012
>> by Benjamin Ray Seyfarth (Author)
> 
>  mehmet, thanks for the link to that book by benjamin ray seyfarth.
> 
>  my objective for learning assembly was to understand the inner
> workings of the machine, but i guess that could get accomplished with
> a good understanding of "machine organization".
> 
>  randall hyde's "write great code (vol 1)" is an excellent book on
> "machine organization", just that one of the languages used for
> example code is 'hla' and hence my inquiry into support for running
> 'hla' under freebsd.
> 
>  best,
> 
>  ~mayuresh
> 
> Using a widely adopted and supported by a community assembler such as
> "nasm" is much better than using a special purpose assembler ( for me
> with very useless statement kinds ) such as "hla" is a better approach
> when portability and maintainability of written sources over time is
> considered .
> 
> I have look at the "hla" many times and come to a conclusion "never
> use it" .
> 
> If a high level language is required , "C" may be used .

yes, agreed about the impractical nature of 'hla', but for me, it's an 
educational tool, just like scheme.
i am yet to see a lot of large industrial grade software applications 
written in scheme, except perhaps "emacs". ;)
btw, how did you get 'hla' to work under freebsd? was it under the 10.x 
series?

~mayuresh