Adaptec AAC raid support

[Scott Long]

It's not a binary driver, it's a 2-clause BSD licensed driver that 
contains full source.  You said that the OpenBSD driver is unstable,
so I offered to help.  That has nothing to do with binary apps.
Deleting it from the OpenBSD tree is always an option, of course.

Scott

Jason Crawford wrote:
> The OpenBSD community doesn't want help for closed utilities and
> drivers. All we want is documentation. No source, no
> binary-only-cannot-distrubute drivers and utilities, just enough
> documenatation for which to write their drivers, and support
> oursevles. No one has been able to answer us on how releasing just
> documentation would lose them so much business that it's worth losing
> all this business.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:21:19 -0700, Scott Long <scottl at samsco.org> wrote:
> 
>>Jason Crawford wrote:
>>
>>>The problem is that the AAC driver doesn't work. My 3.6-stable dell
>>>poweredge server with that raid controller crashes at least once a
>>>week because of the raid controller driver. There is nothing wrong
>>>with fighting for something that you want, and neither you nor Doug
>>>have been that helpful. All Doug did was give Theo the run-around by
>>>saying, don't worry, we'll be coming out with all new stuff! Which he
>>>neglected to mention that they wouldn't be opening documentation for
>>>either, at least enough to write a stable driver and management
>>>utility. Adaptec would not be losing any money for just releasing
>>>enough docs to let someone else write their own driver and management
>>>utility TO USE ADAPTEC'S HARDWARE. They'd be generating more business.
>>>This attitude so far has been quite productive, the OpenBSD community
>>>has gotten many wireless firmware's and drivers completely open, not
>>>to mention Theo getting the FSF award. I'd say that is pretty damn
>>>productive.
>>>
>>>Jason
>>>
>>
>>If the OpenBSD driver is buggy, then ask for help.  I don't normally
>>monitor the OpenBSD mailing lists and I don't run it at home, so I have
>>no idea what the state of it is.  I do, however, answer email from
>>developers from other projects who contact me.  The hardware is tricky
>>to get right and there are bugs in different cards and different
>>firmware versions that often need to be worked around.  It's all
>>documented in my driver, and I'm happy to share my knowledge.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:08:06 -0700, Scott Long <scottl at samsco.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Adam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:34:09 -0700, Scott Long <scottl at samsco.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would have been happy to
>>>>>>help.  Heck, I might have even ported the management app (AACCLI, not
>>>>>>a GUI, btw) for you like I did for FreeBSD.  Barring that, I would have
>>>>>>been happy to show you how to do the linux compat shims for the driver
>>>>>>so that you could use the Linux AACCLI on OpenBSD.  But no, you never
>>>>>>contacted me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does everyone who's worked at adaptec have such big problems with reading
>>>>>comprehension?  Nobody wants a maybe working, cludgy, binary only tool.
>>>>>How would giving the developers something they don't want be considered
>>>>>"helping"?
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam
>>>>
>>>>I can't see how the All Or Nothing attitude here is productive.  Good,
>>>>you guys want to produce fully open and unencumbered stuff.  That's
>>>>wonderful.  But why is it so important to go around screaming and
>>>>yelling about it and alientating those who do try to help?  Let me
>>>>tell you, Doug is about the most positive and supportive guy you'll
>>>>ever have at Adaptec, pissing him off really won't produce results.
>>>>Why is it so important to drag your users into your political fights
>>>>by depriving them of stuff that works now but isn't exactly everything
>>>>that you want?  I'd love to have fully open stuff from all the RAID
>>>>companies too, but I also want the users of FreeBSD to be able to use
>>>>the resources that are out there to their full advantage and not be
>>>>pinned down by my political beliefs on the subject.
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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