Freebsd vs. linux

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Feb 16, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

> Bart Silverstrim writes:
>
>> Um, no.  OS/2 had the Presentation Manager layer on it for the GUI.
>
> Presentation Manager was an afterthought, once they realized how far
> they had gone astray.

anthony: "But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS or
OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future
on the desktop.  As it turned out, Microsoft was right."

They added a GUI on OS/2 when machines could start handling a GUI 
without knuckling under.  Point is, OS/2 was graphical, and PM was out 
before Program Manager on NT.

>> Because we were discussing at that particular point Apple, their GUI,
>> their OS.  OS X = Darwin + Aqua.
>
> Let's return to discussion of FreeBSD, then.

Fine, then it's agreed that Apple's OS isn't necessarily married to the 
GUI, just as FreeBSD isn't married to X.  If you want their tools, 
however, you take the good with the bad.  Otherwise get handy with the 
command line on Darwin.

>> Then once again, they profit from them and continue to profit by their
>> recertification.
>
> If they bother to recertify.

Irrelevant.  They (MS) still profit in every other way I mentioned.  
And if these are corporate techs that survive in the world of certs by 
having as many acronyms as possible on their resume', they recertify.

>> They are human advertisements, they are MS
>> evangelists by proxy, they reinforce market position, and they are
>> brainwashed into MS-centric solutions for everything thus encouraging
>> more purchases by the companies they work for/in from MS.
>
> They are not brainwashed by MS.  They were that way long before they
> became MCSEs, otherwise they would not have become MCSEs.

I made the mistake of taking a swipe at the popularity of the cert 
programs out there.  Any cert test it seems (except maybe A+) is aimed 
at pushing the product you cert on.  I thought you'd catch what I was 
implying.

And you're over-categorizing.  Many people get MCSE because their boss 
or business requires it or pays for it along the way, not because they 
want to use Windows as a solution for everything short of running their 
expresso machine.  How many BSD admins have a cert around somewhere?