Ugly Huge BSD Monster

[Vulpes Velox]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:07:03 -0400
Randi Harper <sektie at freebsdgirl.com> wrote:
> My mom runs FreeBSD. ;)

Cool, I set my sister up with a FreeBSD box and Windowmaker awhile back. It has
worked out well for her.
 
> A desktop of it's own? Let's clarify something here. Having something 
> like gnome or KDE doesn't qualify something as being a 'desktop' or 
> not. Surely you can recall the days before gnome and KDE were popular. 
> What did we use then? Window Maker? Enlightenment? KDE was somewhat 
> popular, but it didn't have the momentum it has now. Yes, those are 
> aimed at the Linux people. And for what it's worth, let them have it. 
> gnome and KDE are the toilet paper of the stinky gas station bathroom 
> that is X11, in my opinion.
> 
> GTK, an integral part of gnome, works fine in FreeBSD. Instead of 
> people just sitting on their butts and whining 'I need a GUI, I need 
> things to click on, I want something that does stuff for me so I can be 
> a freaking moron but still be able to brag about my uname -a on IRC', 
> wouldn't it make sense to code one? I realize that's easier said than 
> done, but it really isn't that difficult to code with GTK/GLib at all, 
> and in doing so we'd stick with a look and feel that everyone is 
> familiar with and is well supported and integrated into a variety of 
> applications.

GTK is nice. I am begining to look at it a bit, myself.
 
> If there's one thing I've noticed by (mostly) idling on this mailing  
> list, it's that people love to say "we need this", and "it should be 
> this way", or "someone should code this", but no one ever wants to put 
> forth the time to help. It's complete BS. Well, here it is, for what 
> it's worth. I'm willing to put time into this if someone is willing to 
> help. I'd do it on my own, but I've only been doing GTK coding for a 
> few months. My C is mediocre at best, and my understanding of the way 
> X11 handles things is nil. From what I've read, the X11 standard is 
> complete trash, and I'm not delving into that alone. And if no one 
> wants to step forward to help, none of you have anywhere to stand in 
> this discussion.

X11 rulz. I personally like how it handles things and the methodology behind it.
The lack of a specific way of creating a GUI is really nice.