cvs commit: src/contrib/ipfilter HISTORY Makefile bpf_filter.c ip_fil.c ipf.h ipmon.h ipt.h kmem.h mlfk_rule.c opts.h radix.c radix_ipf.h snoop.h src/contrib/ipfilter/BSD Makefile Makefile.ipsend kupgrade src/contrib/ipfilter/iplang iplang_l.l ...

[M. Warner Losh]

In message: <20060826082751.GA11942 at freebie.xs4all.nl>
            Wilko Bulte <wb at freebie.xs4all.nl> writes:
: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote..
: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 12:08:54PM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote:
: > > On Thu, 2006-Aug-24 18:44:02 -0400, Alexander Kabaev wrote:
: > > >personally. The mistake you made just shows how important it is to do a
: > > >buildworld _from freshly checked out sources_ after every major vendor
: > > >import.
: > > 
: > > I'm not sure how doing this would have prevented the breakage.  It
: > > might have allowed Guido to notice the breakage more quickly.
: > 
: > It would have caught the first problem, which I reported here
: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-August/065175.html.
: > This problem was fixed by kan as noted here
: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-src/2006-August/067536.html
: > 
: > Notice I reported the problem of Aug 16th.  Kan's patch was committed
: > on Aug 17th. 
: > 
: > > Guido made a mistake, has apologised and has corrected the problem in
: > > less than 6 hours.
: > 
: > He only corrected the second problem caused by his commit.
: 
: Can we please stop this moaning about Guido's work?  Mistakes do get
: made, and in this case were fixed rapidly.

Yes.  The number of commits that I've actually pulled a fresh world
and built after are in the low double digits (compared with ~3000
total commits).  The number of times I've broken the tree is also in
the low double digits.  I don't find the return on investment of
always doing a full build on a fresh tree worth the effort.  I think
I've done a full make universe after a set of commits twice, and those
were esepcially risky changes.

People need to understand that mistakes happen from time to time.
These mistakes do cost other people time, so they should be avoided as
much as possible, and forgiven when they happen.  We do not have a
major problem with tree breakage, despite what some would say.  The
tree usually builds, and usually works.  It is the few times that it
doesn't that stand in stark contrast...

Warner