cvs commit: src/sys/dev/if_ndis if_ndis.c

[Bill Paul]

> 
> doesn't seem to help here.... i got exactly the same lockup after the first 
> packets transmitted/recvd over the wireless as before...
> the machine is ibm tp X31, with the above mentioned centrino wireless mini 
> pci card, and -current as from 1-2 hours ago.
> is there any info that i can provide, to help on this?
> 
> --niki

Well, seeing as how you didn't provide any info at all in this e-mail,
what do you think?

I really wish people would stop asking questions like this and just
offer me the information. It's not like you need me to lay it all out
for you. There isn't anything magical or complicated that requires any
hand-holding my my part. Just show me how to reproduce your problem.

Now, notice: I said _SHOW_, not _TELL_. Don't describe the problem
or interpret the problem. Just show me the precise sequence of steps
which you take that precipitates the problem. And don't summarize.
Saying "I just bring the interface up" is not helpful. Saying "I
use ifconfig to bring the interface up, and here's the commands I
typed and all the error/console messages I saw" is helpful. You want
to show me the minimum number of steps I need to take to reproduce
the issue. And you don't want to assume anything or skip a step
because you think it's trivial or unimportant.

Oh, and somewhere along the line, you're going to forget that I can't
see what kind of network you're attached to (ad-hoc? bss?) and what
kind of AP, if any, that you're connected to (manufacturer? model?),
so I'm warning you right now _NOT_ to do that. You're also going to
forget to give me a copy of the exact driver that you're using, so
I'm going to caution you against that as well.

-Bill

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