From nobody Thu Aug 01 07:49:57 2024 X-Original-To: x11@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WZLj13q83z5SKy1 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2024 07:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WZLj11vMJz4YGR for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1722498597; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dS/YZihkbjnjtlJKVx1XBvO4zjAfBNqzV9Swbl8ZWid5XoGUw7VHc4tR7jLxGru5CMDzEM JUk7KmMQH7Niv97jx1IVhR2wOCetF7TSbqC9VSCRJjVbPF7u3v4w9UzD3LXv4ES2fC97Do XaGM67VOHDvlM+NbAzWrFFPErt2tqiKbm2FU6ELlUEA7BFJlFHexgiintMHhZ0vQx6ltwM cSJskB5hEDSUDjZ3iXXRVvOAs8AkF7CyS6vsPHEQmLyNbj1lS2xW4CJemg9ocuNsQhLi87 KYp7O8VkQUKe7lGOJxqMK1ubqSypU55MsmMDkc9Yk98kmgod1lTjqo23VJceKQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1722498597; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TFW7+wySbqsGW5TMtm5K1KN6FtO6XajZvz+F2MZbBaQ=; b=BBE+9eQKldn3K8xN/FWFTremQazKfZaQbLstpYocXe8HnfusjKXy2CLdGaX2lnNiDpkW/9 cEbrWEUB2y32dvyHsQYbuaKDJzzcwqQEId6CE18du5kDe9KfJ5ldghztYVb3VUO0JF+BjB eUzkXP3XWpAqWom3eM+CJbyPSWRxRGZ5n/yhRY6linpSC419JTxsmNil+IzMs3/w0z/8F7 cwa87eKM315FT1CzDJV5JVA6kuYAjxle7H9C11pDrpf+fU5rRsbBuzzcxLEQYpeUW+zQM6 dXhYmWVCDUQ2OcupL3IfY97eU4LAp36vVDOl2a4WgjOFcfeDCbZj2y+9xrqbFw== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WZLj11PPSzblb for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 4717nvxv013188 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:49:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 4717nvxR013187 for x11@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:49:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: x11@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 270509] Various x11-drivers/xf86-video drivers erroneously assume that no kernel driver will attach to graphics cards (need local patches) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 07:49:57 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: sblachmann@gmail.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Open X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: x11@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: maintainer-feedback? X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: X11 List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-x11 List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D270509 --- Comment #50 from Stefan B. --- (In reply to heikki from comment #45) > I find it odd that people in FreeBSD team does not know this, being a ser= ver focused OS ? Maybe this is because one particularity of FreeBSD is that most developers = use MacBooks and virtual machines for testing. Eating their dog food isn=C2=B4t= very popular with them. Warren Block already tried to address this, without succ= ess. So I wonder less and less why Mr. Vadot wrote a laptop backlight tool while= at the same time pushing for removal of support for server-typical hardware. (In reply to Emmanuel Vadot from comment #46) FYI, it is actually _not_ the chipset, but the _logic_ that Matrox sells to OEMs and which is being integrated on silicon by several companies who manufacture server/industrial targeted chipsets. And please also consider restoring at least the xf86-video-ast driver and applying the simple fix shown in comment #29 to make it work again after yo= ur decision to remove pci.c without any apparent objective need and not to bot= her fixing the graphics drivers you rendered dysfunctional with this action, as= the aspeed graphics chip is another popular server-only onboard graphics chip b= eing used on currently manufactured server boards, albeit with smaller market sh= are than Matrox. Finally, please also keep in mind that 99% of the typical server users will= not complain/post PR's, but just drop FreeBSD and never consider again using it when they notice that it became useless due to the sudden, unexpected remov= al of essential drivers for current hardware. (In reply to Emmanuel Vadot from comment #48) Years ago, in the mailing list we already had a discussion about your desir= e to remove SC, and one of the main reasons is that for Nvidia cards suspend/res= ume only is supported by SC, but not by VT. Confronted by the sheer volume of substantiated protests, you postponed your intent to remove it. Here is the link: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers/2021-November/000468.html I have to admit that I feel disgusted by way you tried to force the removal= of the non-Intel/AMD/Nvidia drivers through the backdoor by making them dysfunctional by removing pci.c, and let the users clean up the mess. This = all puts up the question whether it is wise making ones' company's existence dependent on an OS that can break at any time because of such things. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=