From nobody Fri Feb 02 14:32:49 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TRJCf534qz58s8M for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-il1-x131.google.com (mail-il1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TRJCf3Csdz4G3F for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-il1-x131.google.com with SMTP id e9e14a558f8ab-363923728aaso9106635ab.0 for ; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1706884381; x=1707489181; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7OK6Y4g7/eDWuNrCgRvBEnyEMf2yb9vxYnl2LNXcudo=; b=XCKj9Z08mWb9gB0D01EXiZpSXPvNatzXf5bUfvYBtfUowUVxyWrYDvZMM8U6PTcy9n dvXEvqdPetZfSJt9UqmUTQJxJDvWfLInm8mVW119sM+7RUOAXGcXndEfdlVYYsUpx0te +gEVq//atwHi1xEVSJXmZMPdXt6Sa/SbvlH9+mpMiiMrOzp/4pzgjhe56LKqOT/1/BcS iVmEZ7ZfQg1KcKNvG6K+0bv3rPs1/geJzuJuHJc2Arue2nMIe/epfjXLNNNRyaqlL5dR A1y0FfXvsjBhtXvfj1/k2PzD2D8H2NgTtRsF+dzCslJvispFkrog95RK6PQNRDsZ2J+Z OkQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706884381; x=1707489181; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=7OK6Y4g7/eDWuNrCgRvBEnyEMf2yb9vxYnl2LNXcudo=; b=E2pK1jl7MSb0S6dgo82tDMlnNWmu8UFYtbOn0G/9Xq+uBxMyQec8IU48aZr/3CDadH qTzjDh6Jm7xYS4m9EHU84G9B6eRcFBfYmDWmo8NIRq1tgCHpT/tcllUcHt5uW9i0nokE At+oYLZnLrIgAAq59m6QNfVFX7trzW6L2JfhGUMKCYDb9wFOMLE/a41kimZutI0K6VK5 HZUBicXVdeVA6zkFxpNWI1pb2sn6U5m+1I9NpHVYfOlvuQ60IhneehdLg6ILoZePaKba gMXW3YB+0bp3NLzmDGXCoCWGrT6MTfZRPhJzfBDkUnyVOEw4csdRZfvaNGWHHPj0z69w X3cA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwobiSNCmcIPKNNdCJVZwwihFyLS65msv8aDtZN2p3d0DFlUBuL eez5Z6qA1GJmau9idotOnISy6+L/Ib/XQinSi34g/jeif9bkS34JUDAOAlNGfxD/R48UNDeX/+v q+TOap7mqxwCYIuXzIl4fjJk7tXOLWzr5bwumBw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE435S4PZqxzpYk0uQ9RJJUGXqL6yGCybjcBnRIxxuavx+6a9/CcfQriY8+0LZU5ehDvIfaThWTIGc/BCw4yPc= X-Received: by 2002:a92:dacf:0:b0:363:905b:d7e1 with SMTP id o15-20020a92dacf000000b00363905bd7e1mr3333877ilq.13.1706884380965; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 06:33:00 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alejandro Imass Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:32:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? To: Mario Marietto Cc: Paul Vixie , FreeBSD virtualization Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000334dfd061066fdf6" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TRJCf3Csdz4G3F X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] --000000000000334dfd061066fdf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:29=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto wrote: > Alejandro,I'm not sure if you are aware that the discussion at a certain > point has broadened and deepened. I don't understand why I can't propose > an alternative to the actual jail and jail managers that you are talking > about. And no. On the L4 website there is a userland based on new version= s > of Ubuntu and Debian that can be used with the microkernel offered. They > also say that FreeBSD can be compiled,too,using the same technique used t= o > build the Linux userland proposed. If you want to talk about containers,w= hy > not also add the microkernel topic,that's not a container,but its working > can be compared to the microservices offered by Linux and FreeBSD if they > run with a microkernel. > > Never said you can't propose it, it just seems off-topic to this thread. Maybe start a new thread on microkernel versus X. This thread is about containers and container configuration, auto-scaling, discovery, updating and monitoring, etc. What I usually do in this case is start a new thread with a new subject and (was: xxx). That way, people interested in that branch of the discussion can continue on its own topic, and the mail archives can do a better job for later research. BTW, I think what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that: the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel. 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On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:29=E2=80=AFP= M Mario Marietto <marietto2008= @gmail.com> wrote:
Aleja= ndro,I'm not sure if you are aware that the discussion at a certain poi= nt has broadened and deepened. I don't un= derstand why I can't propose an alternative to the actual jail and jail= managers that you are talking about. And no. On the L4 website there is a = userland based on new versions of Ubuntu and Debian that can be used with t= he microkernel offered. They also say that FreeBSD can be compiled,too,usin= g the same technique used to build the Linux userland proposed. If you want= to talk about containers,why not also add the microkernel topic,that's= not a container,but its working can be compared to the microservices offer= ed by Linux and FreeBSD if they run with a microkernel.


Never = said you can't propose it, it just seems off-topic to this thread. Mayb= e start a new thread on microkernel versus X.=C2=A0
This thread i= s about containers and container configuration, auto-scaling, discovery, up= dating and monitoring, etc.

What I usually do in t= his case is start a new thread with a new subject and (was: xxx).=C2=A0
That way, people interested in that branch of the discussion can con= tinue on its own topic, and the mail archives can do a better job for later= research.

BTW, I think what you are saying alread= y exists and macOS is exactly that: the FreeBSD core and the mach microkern= el.=C2=A0

Best,

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