From nobody Thu Feb 01 15:11:09 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TQj6r47Pgz58pq5 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sweekly44@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TQj6r2JYMz4nbj for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sweekly44@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-42aa4a9d984so9165171cf.1 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 07:11:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1706800306; x=1707405106; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=V/y8U4AvVkcnz6a8qWCszu+EhPiBi8iQ2tlaPe6bdO8=; b=biIxXdIW0f3LU9ndYPx8cxK08aJoLMKE+aKhEjwQsfMsI9ryF/p3/xLD74rBFiOw/5 ZjxSTyluAFTFw+N5TaucoriQUm6KDgDDCrSY6o5Z4dMTFmtCmCd36SLgbc/x4VADc4QW 6UawUiJjl4hVFaQG1E2iTVcjcNhQrXw8QAGujeHaEz9PHXKtMQhXRikWkPHJmyJSgbuR hQ5SaFNNr2oyUmb1V1KWB21HDZhcVZA+5mQXMNCbRP5eXuZhLhVnoVayoxEVpgv6BbQk LJxHbHnqjsO7Z9umkn9IG7+QIEjJMvrqPcjbB0wifDs7Zd7G2xMNq477DS5k6i2Yg2wE bsOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706800306; x=1707405106; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=V/y8U4AvVkcnz6a8qWCszu+EhPiBi8iQ2tlaPe6bdO8=; b=l9eufLIk8fbxuWZHIOC+haTJf+iHw1Mj5SCwG1kLRAEump1AxedErkclJjyHJ9+VS1 mJYBFX+xf2sfh1sAbqVG/FCuB4+XPdFnhvETnVfUaxurnY0pAHe/hVinhCy8TCcqBTgk TFnw1i39xCLKspeUwh6otibWCvTulX+jbXmNFm3cua+qX+3L56KlZcAjoXFeRVcZs4b0 NZyKGdZd31E07LGl2frhqrOb8N34pUy0E69v1+eUEJzZww3QVRorgw510Na9U4e6JGgs mibGC7zPRvZ8v5c6vvHedCzN1F6MAxTGtdCwRzEPIdE01RGvNWlAUYbkAdz/ZBcWMJJX uGyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwlNyh/ncBr9v/iv+xcRbC8m38JgCZD44MAK6UANQuHmcakQ/GC mx3hKf+q7c4Ee6i8pcXbdFxtI3xMHsAGwV8IZ8igAIkCf6XstvvixlWIVm3hSoPuhBQLaZuA11Y 5XKnk9fJ8kOOOS4p7igqmrSnqKvqorrSt X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHl8D5Hceb6oN5+w24AZ7mIkz2Ut/NVWdjv0iuLU6Ahe0uuWsGlMUarH/Z1EfVC2SqeunHN2OO0M+F+3DgR+Zs= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a999:0:b0:68c:7f46:8327 with SMTP id a25-20020a0ca999000000b0068c7f468327mr1114892qvb.3.1706800305646; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 07:11:45 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39C7327E-5A5A-4074-9EDA-1AC1BBE38A56@punkt.de> In-Reply-To: From: Sam W Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? To: Alejandro Imass Cc: "Patrick M. Hausen" , FreeBSD virtualization , Mario Marietto , Odhiambo Washington Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ebaf960610536962" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TQj6r2JYMz4nbj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] --000000000000ebaf960610536962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I came across this k8s fork recently, but haven't had a chance to give it a try. Perhaps it's also worth investigating. https://github.com/tnorlin/kubernetes/releases Regards, Sam On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 10:04=E2=80=AFAM Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:56=E2=80=AFPM Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> > Am 01.02.2024 um 15:47 schrieb Alejandro Imass : >> > IMO, the issue is not so much the container tech, we invented that in >> the first place. The issue is not having a decent orchestrator / >> autoscaling service. >> >> There's Nomad (https://www.nomadproject.io/) integration >> with pot: https://github.com/bsdpot/pot >> >> The right person to contact is probably Luca (https://github.com/pizzami= g >> ). >> I'll send him a hint at this thread instead of Cc'ing him without asking= . >> >> > Thank you! I saw Nomad but I am worried about the move to BUSL. > I didn't know it had integration with pot. Shouldn't be that hard to > support Bastille, CBSD and IOCage if the latter is still alive. > May forking Nomad is an option, they did it for Terraform and pretty > quick: https://opentofu.org > > > Best, > > -- > Alex > > >> Kind regards, >> Patrick >> -- >> >> --000000000000ebaf960610536962 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

I came across this k8s fork recen= tly, but haven't had a chance to give it a try. Perhaps it's also w= orth investigating.

https://github.com/tnorlin/kubernetes/releas= es

Regards,
Sam

On Thu, Feb = 1, 2024 at 10:04=E2=80=AFAM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> wrote:
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On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:56=E2=80=AFPM Patrick M. Hausen <<= a href=3D"mailto:hausen@punkt.de" target=3D"_blank">hausen@punkt.de>= wrote:
Hi all,<= br>
> Am 01.02.2024 um 15:47 schrieb Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com>:
> IMO, the issue is not so much the container tech, we invented that in = the first place. The issue is not having a decent orchestrator / autoscalin= g service.

There's Nomad (https://www.nomadproject.io/) integration
with pot: https://github.com/bsdpot/pot

The right person to contact is probably Luca (https://github.com/pizzamig= ).
I'll send him a hint at this thread instead of Cc'ing him without a= sking.


Thank you! I saw Nomad but I am worrie= d about the move to BUSL.=C2=A0
I didn't know it had integrat= ion with pot. Shouldn't be that hard to support Bastille, CBSD and IOCa= ge if the latter is still alive.
May forking Nomad is an option, = they did it for Terraform and pretty quick:=C2=A0https://opentofu.org

=
Best,

--=C2=A0
Alex
=
=C2=A0
Kind regards,
Patrick
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