From nobody Thu Feb 01 12:12:43 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TQd8S6yN5z58Wc4 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TQd8R6sPvz4Mlq for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com header.s=20230601 header.b=S+WaPZEJ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id e9e14a558f8ab-363844ae819so3200825ab.1 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:12:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1706789574; x=1707394374; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kPDVBFtTMUg+hNwtkEIpaBPOKPLW+zOs11wjoxZtUuE=; b=S+WaPZEJ3Jh7D1lIMckLxBqX6o3bdvCYiIpc6c/JPebH39Htf78ZdIy0NPMm4NUzx1 i8UIDxmh9Zlr6S8qsVE+DKjjoTA2tqRZGikgBgkxVcTXkIqEC4uLNoDkR1vhHzO1bLSz 1kyfZH74B2As3DcAhccaP+6OqaMlO599D4ZP3wmmhyQ3H0obpi0z1pGduNXGfhdeROyH 0hKCeBHbBhYKf4gNUPxoWIAqS9TUldd/IUD2eUORvN18IWfdwVFikLxjiqY1/i1pZLl4 TdwkQmBgci1wUKVbfTehDgrvy2CoSIQ/ftZ+jUUnUu6z2NocESw8pF3ImMqqLcL9byT0 7/IA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706789574; x=1707394374; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kPDVBFtTMUg+hNwtkEIpaBPOKPLW+zOs11wjoxZtUuE=; b=McoLA1qN1hQYzZ++0ODjT+EG8AQSsFyXg/FAD1w100mOSVO4NGlF6icO/CkyrZAnYP nJrv7losKbR26K6iEm4HSaotK4oZlar9DHtfU6C7fzuMpAuQFWB5jDs4O8MMFCug9V4u 9B9GKp8Ihl3OQtugqP3ke5pfK4ws/K2rQ/+L8BocrmHH80EKj2wQpKWtPRBpmpLopnfh UU/W1dswrjbPKE2PanYNFpfY94sq9EGtMO3U4oPCpMH4btvXC9mGpr/gZbdaKjE5ESiX afcNSX9Lxr/qJy2HP1l35kEwztbu/HPhtyEcscehvotMoBkzIDF8A7nEE44+IKkosDQu 7Tdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyKYLPsbBK4IL+MnJQoIgZIpjFONmh2sUlClkFsyGJOf5HtclWF Udd7TkkZz6vXuJobk24bSmENjLy7OGJL12EQb4Y3VLXgMNVyqM6QwT168ywswP0IKYWsDaTWgQy F6eNvRzcRA2x4uAADyS8k5NFTbkBE+RlnCZOmR6H3Al4Fd4tB3do= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFj0ryA4odA/2Zo0C81dImsTmUHHz5KgtAQoc3O3Mdtugvsh2U82dimQ0Baly/UpUgCDYvxOfFJzSODhQdjW8A= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:963:b0:363:8fc2:90fa with SMTP id q3-20020a056e02096300b003638fc290famr4681790ilt.19.1706789574592; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:12:54 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alejandro Imass Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:12:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? To: FreeBSD virtualization Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004ce624061050eabf" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TQd8R6sPvz4Mlq --0000000000004ce624061050eabf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I made the title provocative for a flame but in good faith, so hear me out ;-) Being a FreeBSD user for many years I perfectly understand why supporting Docker is useless outside of virtualization or just for fun. I only put it in the subject to get your attention. But can the same be said of Kubernetes? In the understanding that k8s relies on some Linux specific things like namespaces and control groups etc. but we have similar utilities that could be used, so not sure why no serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far... Moreover, why is there not a serious alternative to Kubernetes-like, or a FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in 2024 ? I've read comments about Nomad but does it actually work with Bastille for example ? I mean we have all the building blocks, and we invented "container" so wtf is there no similar orchestration and auto scaling jail technology at our disposal on FBSD so far ? What am I missing? --0000000000004ce624061050eabf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I made the title provocative for a flame but in good faith= , so hear me out ;-)

Being a FreeBSD user for many years= I perfectly understand why supporting Docker is useless outside of virtual= ization=C2=A0or just for fun. I only put it in the subject to get your atte= ntion.

But can the same be said of Kubernetes? In = the understanding that k8s relies on some Linux specific things like namesp= aces and control groups etc. but we have similar utilities that could be us= ed, so not sure why no serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far...

Moreover, why is there not a serious alternative to Kubern= etes-like, or a FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in 2024 ? I&#= 39;ve read comments about Nomad but does it actually work with Bastille for= example ? I mean we have all the building blocks, and we invented "co= ntainer" so wtf is there no similar orchestration and auto scaling jai= l technology=C2=A0at our disposal on FBSD so far ?

What am I missing?


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