From nobody Mon May 29 13:04:52 2023 X-Original-To: virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QVG3Y5Pl5z4XkyZ; Mon, 29 May 2023 13:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QVG3Y3Qv7z3Cfq; Mon, 29 May 2023 13:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-bad041bf313so4867875276.0; Mon, 29 May 2023 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1685365528; x=1687957528; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6j0UygsOFUM+1D1mBYIoLHih8mKn+ST0tctQpAXzLNs=; b=oR/gq8tSsd7eB+4A0Qsu29tou7QTrFF6DKPee4ehGDHrRqpTtZTNriAdPoGt+jKA2d 7p475Q3OxK0rd+dC91RRO7aoTtkrale36gNJxWuOb2HmRtQgHmZO07uA0cGFQCelNJLi gsicsQLIwIHUfDVe1jFoRvPJ+KHa5JBJVnujJN9qxThww5ZnMQvNRjscmnMEhZVLiyDD 5BCvb//YKIS9VTSwCxsb6nvxDfgsA9D2LxOR5snOz54eK4vK1ognqWC0aMaGdjE8XOC3 M3MBMIo8S8voDLtNjbMXSnN7ZryTguCflUlJw5x9IQ0KKOJFbE8m4+ijLIdNxhOCZlMb Uqbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685365528; x=1687957528; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=6j0UygsOFUM+1D1mBYIoLHih8mKn+ST0tctQpAXzLNs=; b=ANeBncgIgXc1OFpQ1aCwtwKKHuIhKA6SwrIUHh9BwZBcd64jEjOMJ/9/4kcohSlk1d e+NZKbxoBbGNrIhY3mpjxnW3S9Zff61RcwPTqlHi4quLRjgFSzyqLsmORBYLB2Xeukdg T8m+ktLAVSFfcz72QcvPzeLWg6eamwwz1LIV0SADyR0taVJeKx1o7nh+ju2KzVmkTXH4 /OJcseolqcAJamcYv3DjfkE+K1ZhmoDgp+Bh4xxG+2nX42ne4ogBOeb21gQ6ed6YaeLa C24l989YwnVM31/SvIPZfEkh77Ws335JD0sfVaFEdxkDVYZfrXi+jZ0stsY8H89yX+QR W9Xg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyxN2C/IpEAQFCQyd1PxUurtMWNc5u9AV5c0ddiotGruJgHW34g odoJ5mGPjZAwiOgvAglunX4k/dXKiGcmRPH1jR7nRrlKYqpCZw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6twToapJALfgMxKhK2Blved/QoyUq4rh1adbQFQcVT9r8+DQyhCJdBRFiYc67WwJyLQzhvMYXDS44CXzFq95k= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:fbc6:0:b0:565:4eee:a4d4 with SMTP id l189-20020a0dfbc6000000b005654eeea4d4mr11861990ywf.10.1685365528200; Mon, 29 May 2023 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5dfd56b6-4640-0fcf-20f3-e202fccfa440@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <5dfd56b6-4640-0fcf-20f3-e202fccfa440@freebsd.org> From: Mario Marietto Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 15:04:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About installing FreeBSD,natively or virtualized on top of Android or Linux kernel. To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, virtualization@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a00b5705fcd4bd6e" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QVG3Y3Qv7z3Cfq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000a00b5705fcd4bd6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---> Pete Wright said : certainly a long way to go before this could be a useful mobile device... I agree with that,for this reason I'm trying to follow another route. Enabling KVM on a semi-old android phone (I've just found the right one) or even on my old ARM chromebook or my old tablet Nexus 10 and I will try to virtualize FreeBSD on top of Android or Linux installed there with qemu + kvm. Furthermore,I can't buy the pinephone pro,it is too expensive for me. Maybe I could buy the pinephone (not the pro version) later,but I've read that it's not good enough to do experiments with FreeBSD. And therefore there is a small group of developers who are making experiments with the pro version. If I buy the "normal" version I may be cut out from their results. It's not a good idea to remain alone. On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 11:30=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin wrote: > On 28/05/2023 10:59, Mario Marietto wrote: > > > =E2=80=A6 My idea is to enable KVM on Android (or Linux ?) kernel and t= hen > > virtualize FreeBSD on top of them. > > > > So,what's the quality of the FreeBSD for arm ? Which version of > > FreeBSD could I try to install / virtualize on that phone ? How much > > will FreeBSD be good if virtualized like that ? Sometimes I say that > > it is not a good idea because the OS will be overwhelmed and not > > really usable. What do you think ? > > > I can't answer the questions, but near-coincidence: > > (with links) | > > (without) > > >> PinePhone Pro Boots On CURRENT > > --=20 Mario. --000000000000a00b5705fcd4bd6e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
---> Pete Wright said : certainly a = long way to go before this could be a useful mobile device...

I agree with that,for this re= ason I'm trying to follow another route. Enabling KVM on a semi-old and= roid phone (I've just found the right one) or even on my old ARM chrome= book or my old tablet Nexus 10 and I will try to virtualize FreeBSD on top = of Android or Linux installed there with qemu + kvm. Furthermore,I can'= t buy the pinephone pro,it is too expensive for me. Maybe I could buy the p= inephone (not the pro version) later,but I've read that it's not go= od enough to do experiments with FreeBSD. And therefore there is a small gr= oup of developers who are making experiments with the pro version. If I buy= the "normal" version I may be cut out from their results. It'= ;s not a good idea to remain alone.=C2=A0

On Mon, = May 29, 2023 at 11:30=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@freebsd.org> wrot= e:
On 28/05/2023= 10:59, Mario Marietto wrote:

> =E2=80=A6 My idea is to enable KVM on Android (or Linux ?) kernel and = then
> virtualize FreeBSD on top of them.
>
> So,what's the quality of the FreeBSD for arm ? Which version of > FreeBSD could I try to install / virtualize on that phone ? How much <= br> > will FreeBSD be good if virtualized like that ? Sometimes I say that <= br> > it is not a good idea because the OS will be overwhelmed and not
> really usable. What do you think ?
>
I can't answer the questions, but near-coincidence:

<http://freebsd.markmail.org/thread/xzx7ux2uur= rt6jw3> (with links) |
<https://lists.freebsd.org= /archives/freebsd-current/2023-May/003759.html>
(without)

>> PinePhone Pro Boots On CURRENT



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