From nobody Mon Jul 17 00:29:47 2023 X-Original-To: virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4R42z329WKz4mqSZ for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 00:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob.fx907@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4R42z267S2z3rL5 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 00:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob.fx907@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5216cf475e9so739565a12.0 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1689553788; x=1692145788; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Yvx9FJRCWKHZfg3qqTZh37+DR/3jPZRMWViveBDkeYg=; b=ULZ9hq5AjR5MqfepAVZ+tjolcWyyFiR4np8B67vQjoCb3yTY73fclq15dobbLNp7nj ueeTbEIUpxS51Tev5V+6XGpyVuRQHgGV8ckvxxziKlAdhRTqwdpSL66T4W/q6LpCDzeP UNfzIWukVZFzvMVPLD/9m5mR4FpgbNSU/O+OM1pgpqgwEqXoX+saY3uIGXYjD6/nOBC2 A8Xmw/3Aqg6lztVlX7pw8suk/O0obaZVvi6wXfqrlpcsx7boBk4jKEUz260mbZ+CZsGE dD/wdEKLWdWOxEo37Wv+aBOrEArB6mHif54K3p7YK1ooofOzAwpQoAXkQ1jJy2IVuD3w grLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689553788; x=1692145788; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Yvx9FJRCWKHZfg3qqTZh37+DR/3jPZRMWViveBDkeYg=; b=eMi9Exdc8BidwISWMeFnGf1591W3kAeComQBYHwr9lU5gb61v3NFU0DXa51++3PRuo esQ4QoTAPhwTWCAZf19WnjW9UxzUN+2bz10lZV2QMfOHKg6VbRBPVIdlrBLwDQsiurCT uxWTEHJZgAhPc4QHaW+vhhL7qjz+u1IOa0qcKzsGsBIgWdQuUdlVorGhBlmLAFRjbjlp ERwL4aF/hWYkprhnAl8tLsPOL9PxLuzurpLaT/kaqEOTY56CP6VaReNk/uFh1thZ7IjT rTaLlNVnwz+JmGBe3z7LNWwNtWkdzRtqPG/xGUkxi9eT6BDGAseKrA8sP+VmEspqcbtq JOog== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZ294VSnhbSkoCeqZUmuR09eQHchq7/D62ZHnofnqenRGta/G6A QWlydXSgEKkUNxdR0ZR+qNIuUl1n4oc3NhiggUT3sFIh X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlHF28qsBbox4o86+lD1dpXuUBdyj9zsl4lDQAXb36gn9L8LNQ5O+BStJvXoRJAKdZkCdd852wOcMThfTJ6SRsc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:749e:b0:994:539d:f98b with SMTP id e30-20020a170906749e00b00994539df98bmr4371305ejl.6.1689553787793; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:29:47 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:907:970d:b0:982:69cd:7365 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:29:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <67FDC8A8-86A6-4AE4-85F0-FF7BEF9F2F06@gmail.com> <6b98da58a5bd8e83bc466efa20b5a900298210aa.camel@FreeBSD.org> <8387AC83-6667-48E5-A3FA-11475EA96A5F@gmail.com> <986A83D8-E0E0-4030-9369-A5B3500E27C6@gmail.com> <79fabe94-b800-c713-48ea-518da1f74e4d@shrew.net> <3973013d-c183-360f-d7ca-ca822859c23d@shrew.net> <3a037482-2e6c-667f-1979-d5b612e506ec@shrew.net> From: Rob Wing Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 16:29:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BHYVE SNAPSHOT image format proposal To: Matthew Grooms Cc: "virtualization@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000059b8050600a3e5fc" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4R42z267S2z3rL5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --00000000000059b8050600a3e5fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Saturday, July 15, 2023, Matthew Grooms wrote: > > > I don't know how to state it more clearly: Making binary copies of the > data structures is the problem. Something tells me that you'll continue to > ignore this, so I'll stop saying it. Maybe this is where our disconnect is? Can you give me a pointer to the code for the data structures you're thinking of? When I say binary data, I'm thinking of the guest memory being saved.. Rob, I'm not hear to argue with you. Likewise, I don't feel like we are arguing..I look at this as trying to hash out a solution to the problem. I understand your stance is that the UPB patch solves the problem we're discussing. And I've given my reasons why the patch falls short. I've shared all the opinions I feel are relevant to the file format > proposal and would prefer not to waste the list's time. > I don't see how we are wasting the lists time. So far, we've stayed on topic and have kept it civil. --00000000000059b8050600a3e5fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, July 15, 2023, Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net> wrote:

I don't know how to state it more clearly: Making binary copies of the = data structures is the problem. Something tells me that you'll continue= to ignore this, so I'll stop saying it.

Maybe this is where our disconnect is?

Can you g= ive me a pointer to the code for the data structures you're thinking of= ?

When I say binary data, I'm thinking of the = guest memory being saved..

Rob, I'm not hear to argue with you.

Li= kewise, I don't feel like we are arguing..I look at this as trying to h= ash out a solution to the problem.

I understand yo= ur stance is that the UPB patch solves the problem we're discussing. An= d I've given my reasons why the patch falls short.

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I've shared all the opinions I feel are = relevant to the file format proposal and would prefer not to waste the list= 's time.

=C2=A0I don't see how = we are wasting the lists time. So far, we've stayed on topic and have k= ept it civil.

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