From nobody Wed Dec 01 01:44:38 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7D818C0126 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 01:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com) Received: from wilbur.contactoffice.com (wilbur.contactoffice.com [212.3.242.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J3hjD6QMrz4ZJ8 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 01:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com) Received: from ichabod.co-bxl (ichabod.co-bxl [10.2.0.36]) by wilbur.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A852115C; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 02:44:41 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1638323081; s=20210208-e7xh; d=mailfence.com; i=sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com; h=Date:From:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; l=1954; bh=Q7qfe+bDk/nPGOrLyzC9yn8Q40Swx3IS4tLyWDaXxeE=; b=W89/tsDjF/DZ0eWnt2Zq8e2yda25HgxEbP8hGTE2uw1vqxyQYHufJjQ9+hNVGjZ3 jKxXp+vnCQR+ANIOhPfsLw4lun3zMhwMrr5CRkq4+bj2CHjYNx/uxacPl18cUosz8QY KU63yyqMFNT4IeNagJDW7DSLCOKTL0Mrv+zFNZxmVMufXhpgDTodV1Yn9kMTVCpIPqE F/LwDj4H5AeQpS9omVC4EFJ2QBxbTWIxx+Ozy0u5fwGln0PuhtvkSen2U3fnDIfZn2y TctBjfQTvNvuBhRCdaFpLN6Jv9OFR8wbH2IfKp5eNuO1LwH9ulKSHqu4M031d/ehGff EX5cC8vmNA== Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 02:44:38 +0100 (CET) From: Sysadmin Lists To: Bakul Shah Cc: Freebsd Virtualization Message-ID: <131686623.289839.1638323078165@ichabod.co-bxl> In-Reply-To: References: <1786593170.587714.1638135091567@ichabod.co-bxl> <711266519.635448.1638165807735@ichabod.co-bxl> <3e5cfc26e781421ba0244d5c78c3a4d4@beckhoff.com> <878258613.80307.1638218553852@ichabod.co-bxl> <724392928.94209.1638225100654@ichabod.co-bxl> <1b7acfc7b88a46bfbbb9f4b6444f3c2d@beckhoff.com> <951253309.258922.1638305495927@ichabod.co-bxl> <1BF2D752-2F3F-497B-8932-3A0BFAF1BD9B@iitbombay.org> <1402880728.268687.1638310457578@ichabod.co-bxl> Subject: Re: Bhyve CD-ROM List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ContactOffice Mail X-ContactOffice-Account: com:312482426 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J3hjD6QMrz4ZJ8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Those are all very good suggestions, and things I already implement into my upgrade strategy. I like being in the second wave of upgraders. Turns out I missed that wave awhile back this time, though. D: zfs datasets and snapshots make the life of a sysadmin so easy, it almost feels like cheating. > ---------------------------------------- > From: Bakul Shah > Sent: Tue Nov 30 23:39:34 CET 2021 > To: Sysadmin Lists > Cc: Freebsd Virtualization > Subject: Re: Bhyve CD-ROM > > > On Nov 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Sysadmin Lists wrote: > > > > Yeah, all you cool kids are running 13.0-* already while I'm waiting for 12.3-RELEASE to get out of beta. :P > > I have to decide if fixing Bhyve by jumping to 13.0-RELEASE is worth the time required to fix whatever else breaks from the upgrade. > > This "cool kid" is perhaps older than you:-) > > I did jump to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as possible! In my experience > the best time to upgrade is when everyone else is also facing the > same issues (or do so a little later) so that any problems you run > into, you can get help or hints on at least what else to try. The > longer you wait, the harder it gets. A lot of breakage gets fixed > right away but some "breakage" is due to some design change and > then the user has to do things slightly differently to deal with > it. This latter pain is not going to go away and a few months > later people are going to forget what they did. > > You do need to make sure you can revert to the old version if > things you care about are not fixed soon enough. I think a better > setup is to keep user directories on a separate partition but > everything else (except var) on the same partition and use zfs > snapshotting to be able to easily revert. -- Sent with https://mailfence.com Secure and private email