From nobody Thu Nov 16 04:17:23 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW6FQ6yyNz517Tj; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 04:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rich@redstar-assoc.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.ionos.com", Issuer "GeoTrust TLS RSA CA G1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW6FP4h9qz4bgr; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 04:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rich@redstar-assoc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rich@redstar-assoc.com designates 74.208.4.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rich@redstar-assoc.com; dmarc=none Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([162.246.196.44]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MOgc4-1qyVSz0tgE-0064gI; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:17:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 21:17:23 -0700 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Content-Language: en-US To: Glen Barber Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> From: Rich Reynolds In-Reply-To: <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QNg/J4ajMegZqy8/ND/OGQUHMT1vQVUMB1w5HRKgsprmRhTp9+4 8rk4vu4iHvGIl+myAZXYVe0nNPB/5c0FUaAEbufz8J4+aACVxok1ac6bEr8sulBLFpE/EyU d2E020Xd+0umuCBgmP0SiBKLbaBl+lV+WhNy8DcYyL2+ojvQNHTnaZVSoc08Lp2LmYzg14q rrxvO9EGi0cZS6TAzHINQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:pB4XzLckmlg=;beowVNS83VRPt2t+DcQbgWcMc1d 8cQPc9ZWpsn8Iga/cnzwoNA+FbDuigbs/33vlmocKDacMRZkUo4fdZ38YcbO3Dab0uQ93Ml9Y uJdwOi9Rky80Qyo+hdNb20fktqHejiQCDWJN7RV1za/Ev89PDGOpaY/PCx2kh861TSwyPsD3+ aVrqMITuDb/jueX4c4PofKBdZtCv+CSwRDJR3twA83k0rTaulICPcIjBoqyM49VxUhAONkNEV e73bGDyszNU05RfGyTOsiw7yf+f9fDzKmUKebI1f4cNnJ0O3vEFn3ruCsnSNyosFaKBb8l1cF TleISbyeCWBjwvb28V/kXW17bu6iLqjXrfw8jwSnWbj0xHLuIQ1wa6HXnU641ghDbtFJvION5 rHVzRa3ag6v7ns9vFL2W5HJQnWcHPGOL9A9kx295y1dRHmqfJNgO4JbM6MRsssAcjQnNXqlBg 7L/z/raT5ERu6Ifn94lLX+2LE2RPrSKre7MFBfed+QUvxc1gpooGRrAcQQOzUbaE16b/aSqiS 2bmJhxdYx7zzYgZuI3DdcJv1FMH0qzQnFj6ffnMaJU2+Jx/PNbl0gqyhMX4n214lQ+Td/TbDY 2qb06+YPs05HjB0UWB3ED6w+iur8AVK8HO48RLEAOVLEtlyeFfEAVQPKb++KnZi1wf2YDOuZP m3ulXCuNrlPC5K/dh1uCj1+UrTH94aH8GGJ6b7dbDbVh9BY1vaKP5fN4WwpQAl6kBfst4Z/ho IAF+BjzmgeIDmeFt2tuhYqQqdTqEyH3C7NOt4JrllRkLoqvJmrCXSNQUiJCGWLHEtyIEi5O38 BErFSlaInPSvgTYm6S6Psso9I1rORGIFK0QqMbpbLUqCQisY9gQadXccxGB5gIG1RYFEO+r8v 4bgGvfFBEQ6CHOA== X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.24 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.208.4.192/26]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[74.208.4.194:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:74.208.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org,freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.208.4.194:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[redstar-assoc.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[rich]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SW6FP4h9qz4bgr X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 11/15/23 20:19, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: >> The alternative would be to say nothing at all. >> >> Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is >> a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above >> context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights >> delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when >> there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled >> announcement date. > Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to > keep everyone in the loop.  I think people get excited about new > releases, which is probably a good thing.  IMHO i feel you've been > striking a good balance. > > As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me > to adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and > the RE team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the > caution and common sense you all bring to this complex process. > > Cheers, > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > +1 from a retired RE manager yet another hard thankless job in the development chain... -- When you beleve in things. that you don't understand, then you suffer, superstition ain't the way. Stevie Wonder - 1972