From nobody Fri Oct 11 06:09:41 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4XPx6w46qlz5YKT6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 06:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-x112f.google.com (mail-yw1-x112f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4XPx6v3b5Vz4Z3G for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 06:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b="a/77ibZE"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::112f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-yw1-x112f.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6dbb24ee34dso14889467b3.2 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:09:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1728626998; x=1729231798; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OAxRHrKDtOmQFYrMBTY8+JANs/SW6Vq4IejrAUE15O4=; b=a/77ibZEyYJFnz32EIkN1EBiGZreBMRLAkk1PnRMrxcW/HsjdxeGsiau2++dtK/qxD n0EPDpywtvTleZ/fKU+qEA8qinwxVVdeX5lgCmKFnUERSiXaR/QvCOLk6gM9BAAL6Wbj LdDs4m16hTJCY0zeXvgQI7QnauIoajrCY+x9wxvTGtbFBKWkTqORiB2CEb/BFKSlPWbH EMooXcUHy/U7qF9kKGkkeGHqWqka65UhRd9T28qnYf7KLbVYtV3fxto/MZ89hI8ebFDH EisaO59AQxcBA2JMj8wItK+52X8DbLzwU9t9T2M4nII8ajuGUix+bYI4F5mUbp7Of3xT YRQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1728626998; x=1729231798; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=OAxRHrKDtOmQFYrMBTY8+JANs/SW6Vq4IejrAUE15O4=; b=g24NKWUTjO3ASoSXA8lQSOTcMIXEOK9CSfMwLrfsIoYTwSmcJv2FpKPKOjwuXTg1LQ qwhesihkewIBOcswb8pzZci/qfb1ghPDvsz+56YGF/YDpa5/9/YloWFCrQlLRWuaeS1r GcvbGd1ES1cIA2+XJVbXOXZRwUrM/3PvO/lNEA5NbhK8A4TqQGppvpR0pKIPadlzfYvf 8gmt6PS/L2eY47mAyWVGT4Lx8krHL5jLRaV9ntaTWOGdPACND1DY1mBCdflmNS4+cH+Q FODY4eViOvdkbnRmOYawxa8yPOe2XALbf6XAMZl29/012+FPHtoz1805oX/DW6n9sJqn 56nQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzv6SCebFiXM1NobKhmRxdBBQt0klMf+2iAiaPG4dM4/xLLYJpU JhHJPwN0dwTs3Ncw2rKaPUqO0OZZfekl1jNK1fUEvPZXW5cQf+HoLQ6inoVJ1Z0UzULHMGnKmrE Gd1RtJdjlmgwwxEhPuyVjTJ/Q65uC0A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEGxvk9Fr+qSfP3jMSUZ3JSJfx7rVFtNYUv58j3dSOc3MOBT0FZ5ZBp23flbB0yFGdCYykmDB2ymE8odJ+x0oQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:4286:b0:6db:4536:85b9 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6e3479c297cmr9948987b3.23.1728626998224; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:09:58 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20241009063710.09572e05@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20241009063710.09572e05@dismail.de> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD releases To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002db47006242d56c7" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::112f:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4XPx6v3b5Vz4Z3G X-Spamd-Bar: --- --0000000000002db47006242d56c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 3:37=E2=80=AFAM LuMiWa wrote: > Hi! > > As a binary packages user I have one question, please. > For example: > releng/14.1 14.1-RELEASE June 4, 2024 > expected eol March 31, 2025 > > This mean that are all packages built on version 14.0 for six months. > This mean if we want applications built for 14.1 we need to use ports, > special for apps like drm-kmod and more and build by ourselves. Am I > wright? > > Thank you. > > -- > =E2=80=9CI hate books; they only teach us to talk about things we know no= thing > about.=E2=80=9D > > =E2=80=95 Jean-Jacques Rousseau > > Yes. As long as 14.0 was supported, ports are built on 14.0. Now that 14.= 0 is EOL, as of October 1, ports are built on 14.1. There SHOULD be no problem in running 14.0 packages on 14.1 as the user space ABI is guaranteed to not change. The notable exception is ports that provide kernel modules. While most work as FreeBSD tries to keep the ABI consistent, it is not guaranteed. Notably, the drm-*kmod packages need to be built from the port with the kernel sources matching the kernel sources on the build machine. This has also happened with the virtualbox kmod and probably others. For multiple systems running hte same kernel, the port may be built once, a package built and copied to other systems. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --0000000000002db47006242d56c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 3:37=E2= =80=AFAM LuMiWa <lumiwa@dismail.de<= /a>> wrote:
Hi!

As a binary packages user I have one question, please.
For example:
releng/14.1=C2=A0 14.1-RELEASE June 4, 2024
expected eol March 31, 2025

This mean that are all packages built on version 14.0 for six months.
This mean if we want applications built for 14.1 we need to use ports,
special for apps like drm-kmod and more and build by ourselves. Am I
wright?

Thank you.

--
=E2=80=9CI hate books; they only teach us to talk about things we know noth= ing
about.=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=95 Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Yes. As long as 14.0 was supported, ports are = built on 14.0. Now that 14.0 is EOL, as of October 1, ports are built on 14= .1. There SHOULD be no problem in running 14.0 packages on 14.1 as the user= space ABI is guaranteed to not change. The notable exception is ports that= provide kernel modules. While most work as FreeBSD tries to keep the ABI c= onsistent, it is not guaranteed. Notably, the drm-*kmod packages need to be= built from the port with the kernel sources matching the kernel sources on= the build machine. This has also happened with the virtualbox kmod and pro= bably others.

For multiple systems runni= ng hte same kernel, the port may be built once, a package built and copied = to other systems.


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