From nobody Sat Jan 27 16:28:22 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TMg3q3QQKz58WBX for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com (mail-wr1-x42d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TMg3p3y10z4WWN for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=Dehc9wY1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paulbeard@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=paulbeard@gmail.com Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-33ae42033e2so480208f8f.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2024 08:28:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1706372915; x=1706977715; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Rxqq5D5DbHyy5zcPLye/j9QN4i/GhjEZScXf9vd2dX4=; b=Dehc9wY1MnYdajblV79eXYrhoxXx8yaQi4VtgUQLEsqc3RTyUIV2/6EiuQYt46kGRo eC0WcLZvj2DYOlj5b3GS75292UIRHnYTI0AmKB5MC9h9oJfqOwE564PsG98UgfurcHvZ v+BUMj+2o7yUGT+rFM95zOHMA1NXr1UjnXv6Lcrw2sv27RXADfRviBUQGRlZU/oFMifx 3LAwdKQ7lCg+KGccgM+DgSdaNxWohzCaPJ+tmN7/P9lGmlp+BSM1NSbTn/72QQNhURZx ufM2PAq6TNRLtc20R8KxkJbE7EZVonndvjm+irAqYNdNmdRwwK6J7tEI7wrNofrnDDyc VqVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706372915; x=1706977715; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Rxqq5D5DbHyy5zcPLye/j9QN4i/GhjEZScXf9vd2dX4=; b=PBG3VviN1rl8gJMNNSZ2vJyfEB6bGBiqnCSd+D949GQY6H0q/kVmCvrRzNI3cQV9W6 MUOgi5GigmGUOfIkwb8vxRrzFFdsU4/t/79vpJQZ3R2AXmudnN8Bajke6LJwEKfYfPvd DYxfYIbAA47KKxc9rDnL+oQZDDrFzfcmPXTKuJTCJ5dCxotpnL+1tFehfLNZt1oFyccb S1ee/uCjy5CG6sAjiiUYjXVIohd/v/lem1gkF0PWYjiYddxQ7Ege4vE1kCvPZ++vrzaF rW97bL4/M7sKUZdHvmoIcTbXL9nXz5e/D2PD0uYVoElDnsECt1du0G6gAP8dMArYDktt ZDIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwI2fQoNrfj74gkZaqajWHAoeUIjgDM9P5i1zrSnKgDxQ8WC1M4 KOAyi7CeHANNW/apbgAP5G9RAEww3hFScfebOAAwwk0CRN1gGB7hueeVBLvGkwm7jUycda6EiTe pBd+RY0cSfkrGPJ0XvZSWMhRBBGO5vvbt X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFtc3guFN9h4fmm/VAc8dD5Rcyy5Bmf3PAECbH/1g1+aukj2UiBOP3+qVOR1ADk72szz7str+up5nkDXe+GraI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:923:b0:337:c29a:409a with SMTP id cx3-20020a056000092300b00337c29a409amr1189651wrb.119.1706372914719; Sat, 27 Jan 2024 08:28:34 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <26037.2349.49416.506078@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <26037.2349.49416.506078@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: paul beard Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 08:28:22 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Upgrade 8.4-STABLE to 14-STABLE Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006fb340060fefe7fc" X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.87 / 15.00]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.869]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TMg3p3y10z4WWN --0000000000006fb340060fefe7fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll second this as well. Just did something similar, and it was far easier to simply build a new system and restore from backup or mount the old filesystems (I don't use ZFS or anything like that). As for the argument that it's worth doing to learn how things work, unless you expect to do something like this again, it's not clear that it's a good use of one's time. Sure, it can be satisfying to make FreeBSD run on an ipod or clock radio but how practical is the knowledge gained there? Not many mechanics of my experience learn how to forge spanners and wrenches that can be easily purchased. On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 5:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert Huff wr= ote: > > Karl Vogel: > > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:56:05AM -0500, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Is there a way to upgrade 8.4-STABLE to 14-STABLE, or even change i= t > to > > > 14-RELEASE? > > > > Seriously, if it's possible don't even try. Make (and test) a good > > backup, do a clean install from scratch, and restore your old stuff= . > > > > You don't want any part of a nightmare like that. > > I'm with Karl (and others) on this. > And it occurs to me it might not even work. Exactly how old is > the hardware, and what does it have (or not have) that might cause > modern software to cough up a hairball? > > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff > > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000006fb340060fefe7fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll second=C2=A0this as well. Just did something simi= lar, and it was far easier to simply build a new system and restore from ba= ckup or mount the old filesystems (I don't use ZFS or anything=C2=A0lik= e that).=C2=A0

As for the argument=C2=A0that it's wo= rth doing to learn how things work, unless you expect to do something like = this again, it's not clear that it's a good use of one's time. = Sure, it can be satisfying=C2=A0to make FreeBSD run on an ipod or clock rad= io but how practical is the knowledge=C2=A0gained there? Not many mechanics= of my experience=C2=A0learn how to forge spanners and wrenches that can be= easily=C2=A0purchased.=C2=A0

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 5:46=E2=80=AFAM = Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> wrote:

Karl Vogel:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:56:05AM -0500, Odhiambo Washing= ton wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> Is there a way to upgrade 8.4-STABLE to 14-STABLE, or= even change it to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> 14-RELEASE?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seriously, if it's possible don't even try.= =C2=A0 Make (and test) a good
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0backup, do a clean install from scratch, and restor= e your old stuff.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0You don't want any part of a nightmare like tha= t.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm with Karl (and others) on this.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 And it occurs to me it might not even work.=C2= =A0 Exactly how old is
the hardware, and what does it have (or not have) that might cause
modern software to cough up a hairball?


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Respectfully,


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Robert Huff




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