From nobody Sat Feb 24 07:32:23 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ThdrK38J0z5CDRc for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 07:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ThdrJ4Q0fz4DDr for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 07:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=holgerdanske.com header.s=nov-20210719-112354 header.b=aUGLoQVj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com designates 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1708759943; bh=FsKgX/cz4SRmHOEWZhY/4JCWhsY5fRGVU70yScoUQCA=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject: Content-Language:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aUGLoQVjuVRO4n2wpJ4+7aH3SbvVpieZGtHKbXf25QrGdH+qmATK2bWQUrXU/4dL+ BQgo8qvNLp6tlqbb9ZWy0hGWWfjJV2eDC0osV2BNHJ6guTXcWSQze7/W6rsTKSwIqR dhdlDTL2czNJQXcnqEaK5d7vIFa7wd1EQxZiMaqoBUMhowZJ6xg6mW1YNWP8kIPnzQ FKrUfwhDyIRu0uuYpHjRjyFRAlV9H1b9e4em50FfWm+HhY9plb9wnrgRpobF4+hzDx Mpkwo5cjaPkEiUmMKfytURtoxupkE7l5HFnbDKFDXfViry2dLItPgn5N/c2Uol42n+ cYgMSf2KP57r15chTOuQZUezGSWvpN05hiTYKfW3TRIDy87f7IlTZgVrP2p7QKjVUQ 24favaum0pKcyFacAqLSlfNYt/GeZmNhnoFKvkc1z+6RN0NjMkc1lUaoMMsB1HivJi 68PfERV1HG2+7L0/Ew5+wNZwudmQCQSKMPf3ofAPBMmX5oWvNTgknuXimlMchH/BBy DvfwqrOwVqfZ1gbLk4BZ2Ydz7l96ofZFsy9rotU4jQQLjjInMy3o6nvSdI804Mxc1p 4jREWm2Ibr4hET19xlJ+IXEPkDCQ3atY5g4jfoZPaAUZZLOq3zBkplKL1FW0qU0TS7 akO1JJxZf59JVT3CeFDBab1g= Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:32:23 -0800 Message-ID: <661a9ba4-9fd1-40e9-842a-541e41bc9012@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:32:23 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Illumos ZFS, and OpenZFS Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <4ff00fb1-6f7b-476e-8eb5-7d5db8262a23@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.89 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ThdrJ4Q0fz4DDr On 2/22/24 14:01, mike tancsa wrote: Thank you for the reply. > On 2/18/2024 10:10 PM, David Christensen wrote: >> >> Now another OpenZFS bug has been found: >> >> https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenZFS-Encrypt-Corrupt >> >> >> My avoidance of OpenZFS has been reaffirmed.  I do not want my data on >> OpenZFS. >> > TBH, you are overthinking this. Given two severe bugs in four months, it does not require much thought to conclude that OpenZFS places data at risk. > If you feel OpenZFS doesnt work for you, switch to maybe Open Indiana, > but I doubt there is as much development going on there. OpenZFS seems to have taken over: https://www.illumos.org/docs/about/features/ > Yes, there are bugs. https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15526 https://github.com/openzfs/openzfs-docs/issues/494 > There are also > still bugs in UFS being fixed after all these years.  ZFS on FreeBSD > both in 12 and 13 have a better than excellent track record.   Nothing > beats zfs snapshot management ease. UFS is not in the same league here. > Nor is bit rot protection via zfs scrub. You said you are moving from > RELENG_12 which does not have any zfs encryption so dont worry about > edge case zfs encryption bugs in OpenZFS if you dont use that feature in > the first place.  If you want to stick with FreeBSD, move to RELENG_13. The FreeBSD 13.2-R installers are from April 7, 2023: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/ The fix for OpenZFS bug #15526 was added to FreeBSD on December 7, 2023: https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/sysutils/openzfs?id=117f55784d981833d6b51038afc215239382e651 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/sysutils/openzfs-kmod?id=117f55784d981833d6b51038afc215239382e651 If I use a FreeBSD 13-2-R installer to create a new FreeBSD instance with ZFS file systems and without native encryption: 1. Will the installed FreeBSD instance contain corrupt files? 2. Will the installed FreeBSD instance contain OpenZFS bug #15526? David