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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 11:49=E2=80=AFPM Pete Wright = wrote: > > > On 3/21/23 12:22, possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 07:49:11PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: > > > >> Ah, right. Yet another consequence of the regressive move from > >> mailman plus pipermail to mlmmj is loss of clickable links in the > >> archived messages. Duh! > > Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for the move? > > > > My opinion: > > Mailman has its warts but it's ubiquitous and well suited for > > a world where almost everything has to be done in the browser > > for $REASONS. > > > my understanding is that mailman was tied to python2, and the next > version of mailman (v3 iirc) that supports python3 is incompatible with > the previous version. i think it also had a bunch of other > shortcomings/issues. so i suspect the lift to use mlmmj was easier than > moving to mailman v3. > > i agree its an unfortunate situation, but its i think it would be > irresponsible to rely on python2 for such critical infrastructure. I have certain scripts that rely on Python2.7. See https://www.kictanet.or.ke/mail-trends/. But I run Mailman3 on several servers - both Linux and FreeBSD. The FreeBSD one is at http://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/ The Mailman2 list which is non-functional can be seen at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet. If you feel stuck, I am here to help you migrate :-) PS: I could not get myself to learn mlmmj , sympa or ecartis. Not even majordomo. Mailman is the best. Actually, if the FreeBSD project allowed it, I would migrate all their lists to Mailman3 instead. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) --000000000000a07e0e05f7aa623e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 11:49=E2=80= =AFPM Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogi= c.org> wrote:


On 3/21/23 12:22, possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 07:49:11PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
>
>> Ah, right.=C2=A0 Yet another consequence of the regressive move fr= om
>> mailman plus pipermail to mlmmj is loss of clickable links in the<= br> >> archived messages.=C2=A0 Duh!
> Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for the move?
>
> My opinion:
> Mailman has its warts but it's ubiquitous and well suited for
> a world where almost everything has to be done in the browser
> for $REASONS.
>
my understanding is that mailman was tied to python2, and the next
version of mailman (v3 iirc) that supports python3 is incompatible with the previous version.=C2=A0 i think it also had a bunch of other
shortcomings/issues.=C2=A0 so i suspect the lift to use mlmmj was easier th= an
moving to mailman v3.

i agree its an unfortunate situation, but its i think it would be
irresponsible to rely on python2 for such critical infrastructure.

I have certain scripts that rely on Python2.7. See = https://www.kictanet.or= .ke/mail-trends/.
But I run Mailman3 on several servers - bot= h Linux and FreeBSD.
The FreeBSD one is at=C2=A0http://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/
= The Mailman2 list which is non-functional can be seen at=C2=A0https://lists.kictane= t.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet.

If you feel= stuck, I am here to help you migrate :-)

PS: I co= uld not get myself to learn=C2=A0mlmmj=C2=A0, sympa or ecartis. Not even = majordomo.
Mailman is t= he best.
Actually, if t= he FreeBSD project allowed it, I would migrate all their lists to Mailman3 = instead.


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Best regards,
Odhiambo WASH= INGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|= ^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF= =C2=A0:-)
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