From nobody Tue Mar 21 20:49:29 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Ph3d22nQWz40q1k for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ph3d025M7z447r for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=nomadlogic.org header.s=04242021 header.b=zG++OdlD; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 66.165.241.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=nomadlogic.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomadlogic.org; s=04242021; t=1679431771; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Ed9wP3m4Z510TNalPvuMBDre0BO2djCSnZfoQxdfOkc=; b=zG++OdlDCV2/c7guHEj2dDGDr+YyD5eohWy4UX5nFWE+DRi5LaaUaya3DBPaTua1D/Hg1t waD86kf6Kcy5nlzlqC3lLAZeMfjuX8iMIkwR+31MUFip3z05ygrP9wPXmkIwoE+CR9PFrs dGXkLnHu24rmtrw2WJwZ2Ga9hdj92wU= Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-168-214.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.168.214]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8f97fe39 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7e683c8f-0bb4-74c8-386e-5c4dff5f0804@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:49:29 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.0 Subject: Re: List managers [Was: Link usability] Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <3faa3481-abe3-47cd-f273-2658db42a5bc@gmail.com> <11239785ba0531583f29189b133ceafdcded8aad.camel@blues-softwares.net> <5f1028aadd42bcbd89c62e843fc59798c52a0f36.camel@blues-softwares.net> <9B5F5E1E-555D-4FA8-AFBE-EBBD3A8A7045@nimnet.asn.au> <6eaa6e1f-af45-41f8-a5d7-2f03eb4f456a@freebsd.org> <20230321192209.giqsnhqbl7ben6vk@beesty.loosely.org> From: Pete Wright In-Reply-To: <20230321192209.giqsnhqbl7ben6vk@beesty.loosely.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nomadlogic.org,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[nomadlogic.org:s=04242021]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[nomadlogic.org:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ph3d025M7z447r X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 3/21/23 12:22, possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 07:49:11PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: > >> Ah, right. Yet another consequence of the regressive move from >> mailman plus pipermail to mlmmj is loss of clickable links in the >> archived messages. Duh! > Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for the move? > > My opinion: > Mailman has its warts but it's ubiquitous and well suited for > a world where almost everything has to be done in the browser > for $REASONS. > my understanding is that mailman was tied to python2, and the next version of mailman (v3 iirc) that supports python3 is incompatible with the previous version.  i think it also had a bunch of other shortcomings/issues.  so i suspect the lift to use mlmmj was easier than moving to mailman v3. i agree its an unfortunate situation, but its i think it would be irresponsible to rely on python2 for such critical infrastructure. -p -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA