From nobody Thu Mar 09 15:55:48 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PXYgc5Yxvz3x51s for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [147.160.157.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "A1-48603", Issuer "A1-48603" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PXYgb5yT8z40HT for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com does not designate 147.160.157.40 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com; dmarc=none Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 329FtnAF035189 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:55:49 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 329FtmSt035185 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:55:49 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:55:48 +0000 (UTC) From: doug@safeport.com Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem while moving HOME from FreeBSD to MacOS with bsdtar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20230309081835.afddc78d57a7f25b8f92b9aa@sohara.org> <20230309084125.GA9@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20230309095204.GC9@sh4-5.1blu.de> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.09 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6405, ipnet:147.160.157.0/24, country:US]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@fledge.watson.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_DN_EQ_FROM_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PXYgb5yT8z40HT X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, Norman Gray wrote: > > Matthias, hello. > > On 9 Mar 2023, at 9:52, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> You're fully correct. There are two directory entries, but both point to >> the same inode and data blocks: >> >> $ ls -li Homework HOMEWORK >> 4016236 -rw-r--r-- 1 apitzm OCLC\Domain Users 0 9 M?r 09:37 HOMEWORK >> 4016236 -rw-r--r-- 1 apitzm OCLC\Domain Users 0 9 M?r 09:37 Homework >> > > No, there's only one directory entry, but you're listing it twice: > > % ls > Homework > % ls -li > total 0 > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 Homework > % ls -li Homework HOMEWORK > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 HOMEWORK > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 Homework > % ls -li Homework homework HOMEWORK hOmEwOrK > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 HOMEWORK > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 Homework > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 hOmEwOrK > 32687651 -rw-r--r-- 1 norman wheel 0 9 Mar 09:59 homework > >> What is this for a file system idea? I will check, if I can modify this >> without reinstallation of the complete system. > > It's just case-insensitive -- a particular design choice. > > You can create new filesystems in the APFS container, either with Disk > Utility or with diskutil, and that's occasionally useful (as I mentioned, > Nix on macOS is installed in a case-sensitive volume). I don't _think_ > you can change the 'personality' of an existing volume, though, and if > you were to try to install macOS on a non-standard filesystem (and if you > were to achieve that) I suspect the OS would break entertainingly. Best > wishes, I'm one of these [fill in appropriate adjective] guys that uses a native FreeBSD workstation and my partner uses Mac. My experience is that using xterm with tcsh I can ssh into the Mac and pretty much do anything I need to do with my userid on the Mac. On the Mac the file system names are case sensitive with liberal use of blanks. In my experience I have seen no difference between Mac tar and FreeBSD. The mail thing sorta sounded like that was in mbox format, I did not see if that was mentioned. imapsync will move email in any format from machine to machine. Large volumes across the internet will take a while.