From nobody Mon Jan 23 09:41:39 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0lVb50dtz3b5n2 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0lVb1BBRz47nq for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.224.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M597s-1pImrw26GS-001DNz; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:41:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:41:39 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz Rola Cc: Paul Procacci , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) Message-Id: <20230123104139.d9975ad2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Mq05JaGV752eNKf92cSsmw3z9pONszTge4u6AhQaPwIwOnxwKF+ ZaEt1yZ+UtOdLzJw8jqk3iZZabURkkykWzPuswjYduWzHjxkNR7a/HWDFqY3Jbfa6fHxXTX 7sR+iRtrdrYoc6o4d7m/MvLVOX0Hj7r3UW3atkKrkqlsaWCt6okHKdYFELzXoNonB97V8mw GuMM0ZxJfiqrvVfV2ANVg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:QvrrsFSxPhs=;RcuUgqn2enx+73/NUS3FYlKE3dt CD/3rlMbRlhVADjkYF/8Y78C9UDb6fIo8ZH30ZUS3ksT9pa9zElsXWqQHXhPFWqunZEzFjRsP +gf0wxpbxcAriYReveDEyws5qcHKw4uRLRVHN2fodHBEyCOb6NdTTsME6cV3Nt4q1hG73/T7P FLmSvhINfFWzPyMhvCd6Lz2U03H5hw4fud69v8SEavnS/zqfqirdTU/Xze9Bk/KG6N3Xehlxu lUayvhzm+FhazJSsYFDZIyOGiLYcnk5ERShxf8F5oyOiZTgn3yKmeNG7wkVCezzowj7cvhFFw POMcb7O6Kq7/lLh3ARED2PB27q4y6sXeP0ItJcYmHVTGPjh+MOD+JOz6EXLPK31FzegPOqLBl TKjDsM5k3ulhszTuRuJklWRQ1YZOk6kdyWbcjCC1s1tzyFcoinaMm2a4mv2XscGcLgt+W21ZJ W5Cf0/btGgq4C2H1KlFpxvyruXkY1xc2zwYTHXGHeV3lamkVLyJrRaBWDtIubq65RtopMOjxU 9ytkrOB8DAovLe5oEXDfxUMgSp3ui05wyvnQimQUq9OmbrclPMy/a3QbUiACYPUB6zggEa8Mq MR3Su+xYXKZ4eUbMoKnqXs6TilQ8HCJgptG8UY0Kk+SJeX2ptAZt2DymrG3oGE48u2DXS0Tba 41ICPwB3zstbsda5dbq1AvmqqPKTECzkqdmCBa2zXA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0lVb1BBRz47nq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:49:24 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote: > I start to like top posting, seems like quite a fun. Please allow me to repeat what I already repeated several times: - I - A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Source: http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html - II - A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? Source: ? Everything should be clear now. ;-) However, I agree with the idea of efficient and _suiting_ ways of communication depending on context. On this mailing list, inline posting, "paragraphing" and trimming seems to be the most efficient way. To follow it is highly encouraged, because it shows respect toward those who spend their free time dealing with user questions. It's comparable to "doing your homework", for example, I read the relevant manpage myself before asking something on a mailing list, just to discover that all answers point me to the manpage where my question is answered. I also agree that many of today's "modern" MUAs (or "apps" that claim to be one) fail to easily allow the user to adapt to a posting style that is not the "native" one of the MUA (i. e., "cursor on top, I can only type at the top, I cannot move the cursor into the message quoted", or "moving the cursor into the message quoted destroys the quoting, garbage is the result" or worse). While many halfway decent programs allow you to change certain settings (like _not_ sending text + HTML nonsense), others do not. The whole thing becomes even more terrible if the user has no way of changing to a different MUA ("this is corporate policy!", "you use what we pre-installed, or else"). The amount of work to get an acceptable message styling and reply culture could maybe outweight the friendly advice to... well... you get the idea... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...