Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system)

Those who could most probably already did it and know how it is going to end.

I hope you have enough free time to match my answer with exact part of
your message(s).

I start to like top posting, seems like quite a fun.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 01:36:27AM -0500, Paul Procacci wrote:
> Thanks for your insight.  Here's the fact of the matter.
> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the position
> needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said email (like
> Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules'  on various
> forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work.
> Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until
> now.
> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long
> time ago.
> I'm not an advocate of either method, just don't have the time to conform.
> Not only do I use gmail as is evident by this email, but I use other email
> clients as well.  All their defaults are top posting oriented.
> This is what led me to state to either ignore my messages or block me.  I
> certainly won't be offended and have better things to worry about other
> than posting methodology on various lists.
> 
> ~Paul
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:01 AM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > [message rearranged and trimmed for compliance and legibility]
> >
> > On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at  1:38:12 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:44 PM Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> PS Also bugging me is dreadful endless top-posting, tail-quoting
> > Microsoft
> > >> corporate-email-style mess.
> > >
> > > Sorry but blame google and/or gmail for the top posting.
> >
> > Why?  Have you not read their instructions?  At
> > https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9283192 under "Have better
> > email conversations", there's the item "Reply inline to email".  That
> > seems to be exactly what we're asking for.
> >
> > > I use whatever their defaults are and that's not going to change
> > > unless they change it.
> >
> > You can put your answer wherever you want, though they may not make it
> > easy.  But it's your choice to use Gmail.  I'd suggest to put your
> > answers:
> >
> > * Where it matches what you're answering.
> > * Where it matches the project guidelines.
> >
> > Where are the project guidelines?  Currently there's
> > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questions/, which contains:
> >
> >   Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the
> >   minimum, but do not overdo it. It should still be possible for
> >   somebody who did not read the original message to understand what
> >   you are talking about.
> >
> >   Use some technique to identify which text came from the original
> >   message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending
> >   “>” to the original message works best. Leaving white space after
> >   the “> ;” and leave empty lines between your text and the original
> >   text both make the result more readable.
> >
> >   Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it
> >   replies). It is very difficult to read a thread of responses where
> >   each reply comes before the text to which it replies.
> >
> > > RFC's surrounding usenet described this in pretty clear detail.  (Just
> > > looked it up: 1855).
> >
> > Thanks for the link, though I don't see anything that relates to the
> > current discussion.  About the only thing of relevance I see is:
> >
> >   do not include the entire original!
> >
> > > At this point in my life all I would suggest to you is to either
> > > suck it up or ban/ignore the messages from senders you don't want to
> > > see.  Mine included.
> >
> > This would be a rather drastic approach.  Discussion is better.
> >
> > > I found this to be a better approach than attempting to correct
> > > people on what is the proper `netiquette'.
> >
> > Whatever you want, of course.  But if you're prepared to accept a
> > supposed mandate by Gmail, I wonder how objective you're being.
> >
> > Greg
> > --
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> >
> 
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