From nobody Mon Jan 23 01:15:15 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0XGK3cPnz311kl for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0XGK38Kwz3G6x; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1674436521; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=F6J8n0zCM16iDpOg0n/EgNGwTB5DEP1irAIkuGM1TQ8=; b=nCL068U0Ufo15fJ65MT2Hv1wARepZLnQkja3kk64bL1DIj+vruz1hjOwmTOgA4awVAMIem /ydWlDkt/Hfl2nFBGsVCW+iPREqtSBWoImqZRS4gVEPpuhEfL/83MUjJBqUQp7TL6JKrqT QRwVq4HcQtgxqZnr4sWUpIM7swnZuYD8runGz49ZOH5nsDDHMatmaBa7oFVzGfkx0hVH8t 3BbXadQmeupy0k7pCcq6CLxXCN/faMSYZjTLq+YBigGxji5lWSwbvk7wODb6XksAJ6pw9j hmS9WpLABn0lsQ3poFcB9zyX5K8C4q1o7ZwQwcw8kuTMO6QfdOB3AqW5N37bZA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1674436521; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=F6J8n0zCM16iDpOg0n/EgNGwTB5DEP1irAIkuGM1TQ8=; b=rFDO64dP3KeZUPu+SkV1MSLvwzphjtBUYT/4ws8r7SBfJaZGI4ABhcPqOE7bwVNfOmsaDx gLCcCMzpLW1BRV/4D01GQnMhSaRNHrWJQMTyer5J/JqgIdTwORGE9PFnRpu1aEYJG9xgrr OD9Htx75Twz9L/ec9tyjCOCd/m6MOHwN7YmLjCoMGTJW3ZgUBzMCOQfe4hLNjEC1mNZ5Vd IpdSacBHMBF0E4JDb1ez5X5349phoz56mceGRNCQqr1GPodvKlUANgQV93ax5VYZ9WX5Is TXnjUCO511Pp3ji59eJpFsdu6ZOljnMXE489TPQSCUVKObVfPHWWyPv/tZZKVA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1674436521; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=W8xzpZOXAxO1F20vYtE/aO5Fh4TkBJdrrZu+0jygIPRMFQSIy/nBUHFiMYkL7zt9I9cKCx xSTLr4yR4nq8AwY/3hgNcQKAaaiJKxrBTQbqkj0v8uoKKs6Mx7PaaxjnSnyZEzIrLdsJRu DEe1Nu87h/2e40NrplOHEEhPOsIxwA/T11dFciR9xIO6EqPvo48vp6BgjXPNvB/yuGypeQ yF9aNjQWKgUzXLYNbCaMUkgFXxHE56t5ez607q6b5Z1JWpgfi50VrlOi6Jegx5mQJIxoL1 8adRcgdwFHBdyik6lWFO219Ffsffm2RVCKyc43b0rhNQwR1KFEFYVXnx+N+pFw== Received: from eureka.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: grog/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4P0XGH3wJtz130W; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:15:15 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Paul Procacci Cc: Michael Schuster , Ian Smith , freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) Message-ID: <20230123011515.GB51893@eureka.lemis.com> References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --dTy3Mrz/UPE2dbVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 2:18:00 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > As per your last couple of statements; I agree. Sorry, what are you referring to? This is exactly the reason why the recommendations are the way they are. I went down and tried to guess, but I failed. > I won't however conform for the reasons already given. > If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. People probably do, by ignoring you. It doesn't make for better communication. I'm leaving the rest of your message unchanged in case other people want to engage in archaeology. Greg > I won't cry about it nor hate anyone for doing so. > The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional > time I help someone. > I'll still be in irc on occasion, still be trolling bug reports, etc. > > I swear I won't be heart broken. Have at it. >> Paul > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 1:52 AM Michael Schuster > wrote: > >> Late to the party (I admit it), still... >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> . >>> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the >>> position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said >>> email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' >>> on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. >>> >> >> In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks >> in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than >> what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. >> >> Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort >> once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one >> of your readers. >> >> Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until >>> now. >>> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long >>> time ago. >>> >> >> Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different >> countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also >> slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. >> The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) >> frowns on top posting is just that - one fact. So? >> >> Regards >> Michael >> [ previous stuff omitted] >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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