From nobody Sun Jan 22 16:40:01 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P0Jqx3vh3z314y9 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P0Jqw2gbGz4KDD for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=e3bgTnbZ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1674405612; x=1676997612; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=yLdNQgJe2S7gQMjzikeMqSREJDCP/KB5dqhAcxT4E60=; b=e3bgTnbZOKY+TaO0gPWouzIVN8l1Q32Jd7r7Kx4HVUk8vbVUMZprMBC9Ul2Ls0flvqqu3mV4Ch7MAyGzYgxgBXaO73GsIfx1l2cUGv8Lzsj23Ft+Mntj1QIy3v67PFAu2zBvimq/62LkLYA1dTMhKxaXVKnQWr+//Ih8WaTx2v8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRmOTAwMDIyNzJmYWIucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:40:02 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:40:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1pJdNx-000H1Q-5N for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:40:01 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) Message-Id: <20230122164001.2cbb15735780a9934989e951@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.2:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4f90002272fab.5df94b49caa38e2ae0320b327e2dd067@email-od.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P0Jqw2gbGz4KDD X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:18:00 -0500 Paul Procacci wrote: > As per your last couple of statements; I agree. > I won't however conform for the reasons already given. > If I'm breaking the rules, "punish" me. It's not about rules, it's about effective communication, interleaved posting and minimal quoting works better for this purpose in mailing list and similar environments where the complete context is available to all - however in corporate and other email chain like environments full quoting is the only way to make context available and top posting is most common. > The only thing people on this list would lose is the rare and occasional > time I help someone. Why is it that some people take advice on effective communication as an attempt to impose rules ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith