From nobody Tue Feb 28 05:56:23 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PQmp50GYTz3v17P for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from enrico.migliore@fatti.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com (mail-wm1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PQmp45ZwKz4lFp for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:56:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from enrico.migliore@fatti.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id ay29-20020a05600c1e1d00b003e9f4c2b623so8691517wmb.3 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:56:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fatti-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; t=1677563786; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:organization:from:references :cc:to:content-language:subject:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version :date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=n4q1XOADA7vhdnxJ92W7sFrzdCF5V6StyLhZFopvxkI=; b=i+SrwSX4iYpmlGmk6h/3WiVwPeTjsm5+gqYCiVpQ3U3cGtUaj8SbcIms1b6kJ3pLcW I0LY1HdOW3pXjT8GTAZSHBahvs1f1efvs7PJt10CCcpOxQAuoO3MNVuCnYx0dq4/Bhyu rB14nrtJqDUonVHRI0WBsWTEqk1TKweSK44HQwTEKOPyWbssSw0z2cCeTnr/Im5AwsD9 4nC9j09UZkvhwvADlcmOnImb7OqgczUcOAUnkTXUe8SvpYu88XkGbe4q8/DTa30+oW5K uWsr2EeZhnBo78aY+a55U8kVf9gjxdq2Z1k3V9zRcRZ1ByeWdUWKuLrIGSnDWwOBHgcY MVhA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1677563786; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:organization:from:references :cc:to:content-language:subject:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version :date:message-id:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=n4q1XOADA7vhdnxJ92W7sFrzdCF5V6StyLhZFopvxkI=; b=tWi71wiSt38ZkT5npDLjpCR8hFIb9OeGTRSLuQwU4qj+Nreewki9QtXNf9LOnqyAgX lXUovl0jQBXdpLq6wJcV8SlSWE6SppPM78rKSzOE0yYN5tzBnD7PUdowrOBDnnsLluBI SgeeF1bqkVYkjEjREQrya2iMKibWY6IAWn0TsNPoNaluyOZVN/h22UD7g/fm0ZMVIWWD 83mPe8xgTHsX2u3c7x/p5hCACg6ojQiEcjIiUP6vBqYzqFDw6kOtrfUxbhiQKYdL0EhI 5o4JQYwUj2pI/mnb511eXP2G+HHMvrqURerUPDgYuzDOQOYC88mLCYMcM8k7zbk41+UL mavw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXlFKAYLY/S1Y1OBk7Dd/WYrz3piSxbvqcsXMeaGnPwyZNsYVYE 9FuxcI+W95DvGR6hD+YWpbRCgA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+cmIjkn0ynX/FHUMylHTTEIKYA1WGV7cks/Hzilea4IXFqVktWONxZ4EiuM/LS6WmMuFziNQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3319:b0:3eb:2b88:9adc with SMTP id q25-20020a05600c331900b003eb2b889adcmr1107972wmp.25.1677563786529; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.53] ([37.161.11.99]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bi13-20020a05600c3d8d00b003e204fdb160sm14717572wmb.3.2023.02.27.21.56.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:56:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a8e8b41-ccc3-1bb3-39fe-c599fed90297@fatti.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 06:56:23 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.8.0 Reply-To: enrico.migliore@fatti.com Subject: Re: Arm64 Tier 1 FreeBSD 13 Phones Content-Language: en-US To: Tomek CEDRO , grarpamp Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: From: Enrico Migliore Organization: FATTI MECCANICA srl In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 230228-0, 28/2/2023), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PQmp45ZwKz4lFp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi, another way is compiling FreeBSD as a native App that runs on top iOS and Android. Tech Giants will never open the source code of their drivers. Enrico Migliore On 28/02/2023 01:09, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:07 AM grarpamp wrote: >> FreeBSD Phones... > Not really a "FreeBSD phones" just "phones" or "mobile multimedia > capable embedded devices" as anything can run on them :-) > > For instance NuttX RTOS on PinePhone takes kilobytes in total: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGI_0yK1vws > > There will be many different operating systems soon available on this > kind of inexpensive powerful multimedia embedded systems. > > The problem is standard and compatibility. > > Unless vendor does not provide complete set of open source drivers and > firmwares there will be no move forward. > > Unless application written for one won't run on another there will be > no move forward. > > Unless there is no overcomplicated SDK and toolchain with libraries > that have lifespan shorter than a bread there will be no move forward. > > Because who needs bare OS/RTOS with no useful familiar applications. > > :-) > -- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus dal software antivirus Avast. www.avast.com