From nobody Tue Dec 12 20:37:45 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqVmh36Dgz53CWy for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqVmg21Bqz4d9Z for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Vj8KpzAd; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1702413475; x=1705005475; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=wfjtDQ5W2+QhSR97l7BAMSLlR2U9e3D3So7zw7wGKho=; b=Vj8KpzAdF6P6cGABZ/mqJPGbTtchfg2WRKbP7fpnFz6WIxU2LkYKyRGSpEbbBNzxAr2uhJF9wYKn0tBfFcO0i30RZipiGQfiz48Bw9pvHxnim5wx9dSjYL3z1V+wHxaX4MSxVdmwURHabzrDSJQddqZ9NR3lmVYWkD3kt8/vLkA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUyNTAwMDI0YzBiM2YucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:37:47 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:37:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rD9Vh-000IZs-KH for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:45 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-Id: <20231212203745.82ee5923ceb4111b219c3f10@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> <20231212194743.fa5320727a3f77b52978280d@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.1:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqVmg21Bqz4d9Z X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:55:02 -0500 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:49 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:18:36 -0500 > > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > So this is a case where having a fully working (but local only) MTA is > > > critical and DMA does not cut it! > > > > Why not, all DMA needs to send mail is a relay to send it to. > > See original question DMA does not offer SMTP which javamail requires Quite true it does not offer SMTP - if you need SMTP then you need to install something that does now. I recall the original development of dma in the DragnflyBSD project, the aim was never to match sendmail functionality but rather to provide a default mailer that was extremely simple, reliable and sufficient for most basic needs. > nor does it correctly handle local aliases as proven in the original > post. There's something odd about that dma is supposed to have support for /etc/aliases (without running newaliases). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/ Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency