From nobody Tue Dec 12 19:18:36 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqT1Q393Mz54KlB for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqT1Q1Hk3z3bwN for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-54c5ed26cf6so7807455a12.3 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:18:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702408728; x=1703013528; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=grEPdBUtXLwRkQjOSXiy6vZjCjcCaVRqpnTN0etxj+8=; b=XTvhN07EqyovmS+H+UXT0cafGHxD/KlMGLHx1GaYsFfHZGg+tYRv/WQhVAThLPbehE 6W26kA9r6/gRHg2PHwD1JOr29ftmkS/YWWJZtiQngrLdS6kFwn1ddIQEL+CzODho5hnC Beh7QFz+FeA1dBvF0w5miCU3XywC78lSB0NP7kMI3Ra7b0NpZQJxiurQrbJFxM9KCEaU h5QkrZoAIsbitANm9gip9DWwT6/1UC+p6FRdlZ2WKSV5i8p5WkFANiQOsjvTNKissvLS Aex5HYszQktz0HlLTyvT3vAu2t7Nz5mNr7osGpghyBiQhNPOp3MkyQQ1iOEZGG2xKZZf Ngeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702408728; x=1703013528; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=grEPdBUtXLwRkQjOSXiy6vZjCjcCaVRqpnTN0etxj+8=; b=KsuN2kXOHfq5YhVsR8HvKmqFGistjSVY86cz+U8YTpFW+eQMaSNEgjT1j6un8xU/wd 3CB+LOlOP4C6chA/zbyY402nxGJdDfN/OHicRz8mfBvygv3DXP06eOgeWWG0Z5cKJHPp IPRVrOZ8pXVJqWn9Ud+bAHFltx4RUHGetD/Na3e9HF0Bidbissx76K3KmIIg6QFEnhIU nFsUZzljrm6aR/weQmZ8Xc3FHCXVOGR2hWOYRGcd/LFVRa+rTyiIfdoVStWhNesx2tHc 3p4JG/mjYCD/m5Dk9UOZAbsb05n2roWvH4FAByfOS+42X0JcGUFb1QEU2cEYhME4A6it 1X1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyXxq0oxsEEKu30v7NWDAmW8GkhFX7u7FE7aN6i/wffxBRc+DwI XZgen3dPTp6fuLJC1v6PIoQJmkUHqd3cBdI4JZ33/h7J X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGs/l/KFSzK7ImCJ5N8Ku6D/PSutYcy3doQiZXrW/BsWzDzizx4aL8P9Y1NuDvmzSC636mJKwzFpbqVdv6tfnA= X-Received: by 2002:a50:a691:0:b0:551:edec:a7c7 with SMTP id e17-20020a50a691000000b00551edeca7c7mr151313edc.52.1702408728073; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:18:48 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wfdudley@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqT1Q1Hk3z3bwN On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 11:09=E2=80=AFAM John Levine wrote= : > > It appears that William Dudley said: > >-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > > > >I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this question, but what is th= e > >point of "replacing" sendmail with dma? > > Most freebsd machines are not used as mail servers. DMA is small and > fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a > local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. I would completely disagree that the machine I was asking about does not use email at all except during manual and automatic testing of a web app it is the main test/development machine it is for. Without something that can *SEND* mail it is impossible to test this functionality. Since this is a IoT medical app (remote cardiac monitoring) the email's are potentially life critical since they do stuff like tell the doctor when you have a "concerning arrhythmia" or informing the patient that their monitor is offline (or damaged in someway or another)... we use email also as txt gateway for the same purpose. So this is a case where having a fully working (but local only) MTA is critical and DMA does not cut it! > > If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > way. Not having it gets in the way took 6 hrs of fiddling to figure it out (did before I got any replies here). --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org