From nobody Tue Dec 12 18:54:44 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqSTy33gzz54JTY for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 18:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqSTx3Y1Gz3Vjb for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 18:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from terra.edvax.de ([178.5.229.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [213.165.67.97]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mtf7H-1rUN8a3Ntv-00vAa5; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:54:55 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (r56 [10.200.1.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by terra.edvax.de (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPA id 3BCIsoRI033322; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:54:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:54:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "John Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wfdudley@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-Id: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2xi6u/sHk7urbWoNKQKdwF0Klb59uG5TOK9eP99EFZd3wi/EYb9 DvDeGDLQnvnJG9qsbCCtEuRqZffhgF7ADTK4Ndp5CJWpujHtU61VrL8CMtYrcexhLyCeGtb kVjltFXmhJgw/9xnihZd1FnTmNF26TcINnCfXZhFJK7TCtl26MSCf2lQ3Nr9/vnz241IM1X Ki7JwwsI35hOc6VInsoXw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:vCzosQIijqM=;XP5Wo98zwEmLy2eTE3kUNKw1pcW cngE0Y95WkqjCDWIYif65nxWyKbU0gL41Kv8Fey+ats2VrNxxGn2Km2fPXNXqsD7uSYnxOWB3 Ux6VBu6VHzzuCmXH5flh6q7woIECgE4vzcvGhM+UWAuptpgw9BjW2AJGZAISpPO/pd83TMRjR JjEmPmT0D2UgiGbJcdpDV5tMwFw+FJi/CGsG7pWdkOKxDrLsQ4DLmW5fAQ0AuUDY91x82cmk2 Ooek+kSTpKMrjTEQdVuq9s7dp5bbMVy8akxLmOEtdmLLY85IxzxX+5fcxc0Y2F30wiNgvtIc9 WtBMELSq28IrLBvphqGaY5FrogPlWKQiBV9WW2vO/9+eY3nDD+rcCFa2ODlbKZQyhnv4Rb63t WyudP/F5iBfQdGHJYbS1afAQLsDrLKq6oEHinM5BCBuOcUvyKvTFn9EBARN53p8HGX/zJSdWg EReM+zcE77+BT86rKVZqBLpLK1mZ5QqhNU2H0toSDTodWhMX+czWgeEPf5aakpi8PYPLog1vu 5X+qls93q5/lwS0XSK7f3seDweChiUzCGhg/REkdR2hGPruh/x/jKMXIiC7X1lIe9Oh1GKfdj qndCUAsannZBFPv6qtQgG5vOxhqJgamI4ojKFFKLFvNxRLzvYIQmiIF1FCfdytlyM3tPRXMFr M4ZVUjaeNGd3dWRYnRxKWFcaNxoTpstlCsY3nxhgLGLvLgHmp5cGN89zp+o0NyEomjb3CLlFV d+VfSvTcbMjgDfjdQQzXcwwlhwzNP7rCUC6MseseqZzknxCIGFXcqoJetU5ClVlKl/r6SNbmx 1K4yLKN8pc1Rk6ApCBvxCaiT8HXbg2EG+rhQnq2Q40yci09b0zksszEkMs4LXlpF5AztR69Ez 48iqGXeIrE6PE6Q== X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqSTx3Y1Gz3Vjb On 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500, John Levine wrote: > If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > way. On the other hand, if you just want to use the system's mailer to run a "TLS relay", it is not needed to install and configure a full 3rd party mail server - initially sendmail does serve here quite well. On the other hand, can dma do this? I'm not really asking, instead I would install sendmail from ports if I needed that kind of software. But replacing one thing with another thing that cannot fully do what its decades-old predecessor could do just feels... strange, like the transition from sc to vt for the "text mode" terminal system... Still it is good to see a complex software being replaced with something simpler, it's easier to maintain it and to address bugs and security holes. At least that's the idea behind it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...