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DMA is small and > fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a > local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. > > If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > way. I fully second that. In my bubble of IT guys exactly zero persons use sendmail, and of the few FreeBSD users everyone is happy about change to dma.