From nobody Tue Dec 12 15:40:53 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqNB15S99z546Gr for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqNB10Z6Jz4VqQ for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b="Xe/DyVLL"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wfdudley@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wfdudley@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-67aa0f5855cso24307346d6.1 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 07:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702395655; x=1703000455; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7Q2BIwyDYkqb5NIxefIHmi0XLIwbNdWnAZNMnOKzAkg=; b=Xe/DyVLLZL90BxJaji2/9Z6Vl6Yj4FMBYT444fUucbeZ5aK4tCpvbCkViRJkR9xcL6 h3tpsnmXLjGJmjn4dmC+NzlGA7oAtEfJL0spm1jna8okWctXDtHd7VvbTx0b2uC6JZs4 n2zo1ycVLpPOYYEVSaW+ew9Nx4pAzNwO2xxToTvVEgKPUEHeBp63MP0IDNnfiRdWtojo 7QXz70+tP/1zq3cCsya/NkyR++Rdh1zbWvFaZX3Ld7Wuo0yLhLNpWdH1vYBKnC6V5pAL +djQ2Lz138vGCVVI/9+NTuNmK5GJhjwa/rl6R3+OE74CCbhTeKGpdvyfk/tMv8n1dDoM O/bA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702395655; x=1703000455; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7Q2BIwyDYkqb5NIxefIHmi0XLIwbNdWnAZNMnOKzAkg=; b=JD0wZ5Bg1aE450iaKSWQZ9GmhqP8wpdhZNwRkhv8Vudx0nqIBVEpp9jZ2WRZFKc2vr kKHTUgMQc0drNUvepV+GsL3AxtDl2+6rriP+7wavh9Njs+52LG3du/kBlT3yB2LPDSnp IaLwtrblq9TjJtq6bMVSfeypyEY/ElBUNmuKNHxVrzshS8aZXlvZsQvVHEo/bwG7IxXk 7y7cxb3U5xPNmrOyZeG6IDTdBHna2rttCLlTB+ztDuuaFqJueju6OEjTuE+wEy+CAONz qQWtP4sfqFnv7Egg8V2wlYN5zYocb3tVrYB+amDpbyYrqQm721vEju98pB2s1PS/+JQe PMww== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz+9SMjDRRu7wASuRadoCPQS/26aQYGY5+EWzDsuazgsjoi3eTW PQyRFd0o+LSuy1Ln4ewK5H21ck3kzwZE5ApLv6CWsh4wt2c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFM/Z53YzHFaE2Redy9H4x2ndf+BCvF1qmUm2g4gkOGu42+irRWtlPujx6dGQla4C9h/3qfaq4dE5aEyREM02g= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1cc1:b0:67a:62c5:a5dd with SMTP id g1-20020a0562141cc100b0067a62c5a5ddmr4839074qvd.11.1702395655281; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 07:40:55 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.98 / 15.00]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqNB10Z6Jz4VqQ X-Spamd-Bar: - --0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this question, but what is the point of "replacing" sendmail with dma? From this: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Da67b925ff3e5, which is referenced from the release notes for 14 "dma accepts mail from a local Mail User Agent (MUA) and delivers it locally or to a smarthost for delivery. dma does not accept inbound mail (i.e., it does not listen on port 25) and is not intended to provide the same functionality as a full MTA like postfix or sendmail." So, why? It's not a replacement for sendmail in any sense at all, as it can't actually receive mail from outside the machine. If one runs a FreeBSD mail server, one still has to keep sendmail or postfi= x or some *real* MTA running, and now there's an extra step, to disable "dma". What's the point? Bill Dudley New Jersey, USA This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:32=E2=80=AFAM void wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following > >the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can > >not get the following issues resolved: > > > >1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly) > >2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found > >despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases > >being run > > Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ > and grep for 'sendmail' > -- > > --0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this questi= on, but what is the
point of "replacing" sendmail with dma?

referenced from the release notes for 1= 4

"dma accepts mail = from a local Mail User Agent (MUA) and delivers it
locally or to a smarthost for delivery. dma does not accept = inbound
mail (i.e., it does not listen on port 25) and is not intended t= o
provide the same functionality as a full MTA like postfix or sendmail.= "

So, why?=C2=A0 It's not a replacement = for sendmail in any sense at
all, as it can't actually receiv= e mail from outside the machine.

If one runs a Fre= eBSD mail server, one still has to keep sendmail or postfix
or so= me real MTA running, and now there's an extra step, to disable
"dma".

What's the point?

Bill Dudley
New Jersey, USA

=


This email is free of malware= because I run Linux.


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:= 32=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> w= rote:
On Tue, De= c 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
>I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following >the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can<= br> >not get the following issues resolved:
>
>1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly)
>2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found >despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases >being run

Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see ht= tps://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/
and grep for 'sendmail'
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