From nobody Mon Apr 17 11:32:23 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q0Pzp2zNvz45m1J for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Q0Pzn1ll8z4DS3 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de; dmarc=none Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.238.132]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MZCrZ-1psY5R08cT-00V7Xp; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:32:24 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:32:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Michael Grimm Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Docker Message-Id: <20230417133223.3ef5e26c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:V/JA3qgse+hNjzfcykd2tfCuAeftXID41OPb7ndJ309DZsU5nU7 CjtdIqEEx4xcvapldj4vgTvBdJXljsOYric4AatZ6+acWGYm59va7m2Fmmvnot5FJbz5uyd zHxlXbeYg4jmoM6z/h6dNrUOo14tZ1Ane9mk/mIFPqe1lMvuLz+3xuNwRhy7TugC8eCn4oe /JwZjNhWvetSUFoQeYQ8Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:oFL9rNN2/3Y=;poc/oUjUUS78imdk/ST2KAGNErM GsuL633aG7U7uM4DNuIZ2gGwNikClD1ZCtC0oV6+3XhO2dvqxakSyZQIptRA2LyTrYctiwJ8F tWZlbaYTBhiU8O+MHi5BI9QSlEUc2MncazQ2arTGadIK+ZvoYbV7zawbzS6E06Kzfpqkfa674 cP48QN1ZH5DOgmy3zik4txeOnilJqu1c9z3EAA/oS8ihQT+ob1Ke+5SK3kpJ0ddRLEtS9GmbA SeLJ465qlVfQYKNyw3PcPekqiRH3HfR23NsQl58HUyeyeO+1RH9jdABHJ4q/ydQvRjPuWMv18 V04+PFY8fFSld2574SX6C8BhFWBvhgHjvkfgq5GbJTJCE5eUzpCQQe0rQCotQ310l3EDFZEE9 8b9bkQy62THo8s6bYfsUD6K1ibsVSVSuaDreTdvvnmikeJacIVmPtL9RzrABEvRm6BgPt8dEy tbAIc+CSAUJroeOACv2tsbfiCevK7REF9JzaEC3i5HopEB5EanixtH8brNo1LCgJAfNfRGGpC rZrcAr8c3X5TPFF7qXUjCYe4yBVtrsV95Be1S8ZDAIiRGl4Su9sp/NLpgCknDFUPr0FEZp8bJ HoOhs4OTc1297Bfn1W+PfGOJlRDKSoMasJNjnSfcqyBVf9sfFMUT9dY7UDrurgsCpNgjQ5E0U 69vhgUsBD4mkJDo/plstt/upDTIQX/KPTKKJKrRwtQ== X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.91 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.63)[0.628]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.13)[-0.132]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q0Pzn1ll8z4DS3 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote: > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be distributed > by any capable admin, granted. And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people. One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web interface. The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support, and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...