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Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: Docker Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <9efb1204ede36008eb1bc83b6048d9c41ea2ab86.camel@riseup.net> <6cbc4a9e-bbb0-bedb-2941-9511c4232312@tundraware.com> <6dabf603dcaea28c2ab3389d13505c70314c0e70.camel@riseup.net> From: Tim Daneliuk In-Reply-To: <6dabf603dcaea28c2ab3389d13505c70314c0e70.camel@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Sun, 16 Apr 2023 11:34:36 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 33GGYaOw041021 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.886, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, NICE_REPLY_A -0.98, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; 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DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pzwl30yszz3hF9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/16/23 10:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 10:04 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> My point is that these extra pieces of tooling are not really "layers" >> such much as ways to manage running containers at large scale.  They >> are not needed or recommend for smaller use cases. > > Hi, > > my apologies for my half-knowledge, I was probably a little too biased. > I'm that biased since nowadays even Linux packages are often replaced by > containers (snap, flatpak etc.). > > Regards, > Ralf > > You might want to play around with that 'dockersand' tooling I wrote linked in a prior message. It's a pretty painless way to experience docker and has a lot of learning value, I think.