From nobody Sat Apr 15 23:08:36 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzTXV65DKz45GJZ for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 23:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-x112b.google.com (mail-yw1-x112b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzTXV2dDTz4Jb6 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 23:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yw1-x112b.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-54f21cdfadbso335831447b3.7 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:09:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681600153; x=1684192153; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0z/WFQxARyFL55FQRH3SvYc5ZfGMj6ilKq0pcCOoaTY=; b=DDluLJCh4x7CDha88xh32GqjpRilULSz+R8ANY4/xta/d2/jyfsA1hIZtd8YDM20GZ DvwP/u8RAytT7fGCxlznsYSofsjZakHVGo5rT9BAYo+5UJG1HnqARW9cjjay+r+r++HE le1SQbsiaxp/S55LV2Uys3aTqAzAcQ2q+WgA5vR7KA2/bl4QZCjuYn6sGQUVbFBuB0n4 AraKoaPZoqiqPA9OVOVglDYVNnk1nvyjp8StNSLJhmJwsmJroZOWuS4P1HixNsYOSJcD k2RbEMGUoNvIEeYiFZGCuQHAWSqndDfDLyxO7X+exKmtA5owx4w7KcrVEZbwVw+GaaBv d7Cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681600153; x=1684192153; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=0z/WFQxARyFL55FQRH3SvYc5ZfGMj6ilKq0pcCOoaTY=; b=krDWJYZpClKyRS1si329lPZKNc5zeF5WDbfqWSuHlMcUbVtLypHBtFqLzi8v1BVBHG Cs9RddcpuXA09HQNBkT61NWr9Dhqh6RI5itsA5cTvftSnJwl5GHUMeTND8StVUWs2OTP /9wn0m7HxQv2zks8z6XJD2vnMjx/KBC+r37bvkTwc0HYKQ5FtIT2yozUwyxaHr+4fmGB rtEMkFrwwGW63TcGaF5SCVj0Lv7YfBzqIjpW2LTJO8jsCm/q+NN8htpsiwFJTN8E4fRL EEJYIfJx+oK1Zits7hA7Fjo0ZQBalHUCv8w2nvJLNeneyu7oAq4N0QZOhMNlU9rOQ4Og ILDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9deUUsaBXsxfeqOFEbiGcuNWXD2XBJczsdsN2V//U9i7iB0CLyG akwDBlTnsIKPWno7d7mZJA30H/JaoIvkflOEyjrPXEkeKvY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bHxGlhEXeR5s5J6PCT33qx9xiK1pL1Gd33KdeIypxx4HnEQL6jIwixfY0zQ9pQaOK5Xg8TGT62NdQKMZVm+ss= X-Received: by 2002:a81:ac5a:0:b0:54f:b56a:cd0f with SMTP id z26-20020a81ac5a000000b0054fb56acd0fmr6604885ywj.3.1681600152790; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> <8f3a86806377c2c92039eaf2765f5b85862de178.camel@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <8f3a86806377c2c92039eaf2765f5b85862de178.camel@riseup.net> From: Mario Marietto Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 01:08:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Docker To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2e8ea05f9680b73" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzTXV2dDTz4Jb6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000c2e8ea05f9680b73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With this general attitude, full of firm convictions and systematic stigmatization of other people's ideas (when they aren't canonical), there is not enough space for the emergence of divergent ideas,ideas that can create innovation because they are able to break thought patterns became too static and historicised. It is a pity because in order to develop, progress needs to be nourished above all by unpopular and divergent ideas. I'm not talking specifically about porting docker to FreeBSD, but I'm talking about the way you express your ideas, which, in my opinion, aren't dynamic and open to changes and aren't ready to welcome innovations that come from other systems such as Linux, which always have something that's wrong. Some of you demonize Linux too much and you don't see the great amount of innovations it has brought. I like both Linux and FreeBSD and I am sad to read that the latter is always used less in the industry. There may be reasons, but few of you seem to realize that some of them are inherent to their own views about how FreeBSD should be. On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 9:32=E2=80=AFPM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > There are countless container approaches available under Linux. None of > these approaches are mature and almost all, if not all, will be phased > out before they are mature. > > I guess nobody wants to experience a Canonical and/or Google universe. > > Somewhere in the Internet I found "While Docker is a container runtime, > Kubernetes is a platform for running and managing containers from many > container runtimes". > > At next somebody will introduce a platform that does manage platforms > for platforms. An energy turnaround looks way different. > > --=20 Mario. --000000000000c2e8ea05f9680b73 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
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With this general attitude, full of firm convictions and systematic=
 stigmatization of other 
people's ideas (when they aren't canon=
ical), there is not enough space for the emergence of 
divergent ideas,i=
deas that can create innovation because they are able to break thought 
=
patterns became too static and historicised. It is a pity because in order =
to develop, 
progress needs to be nourished above all by unpopular and d=
ivergent ideas. 
I'm not talking specific=
ally about porting docker to FreeBSD, but I'm talking about the way you express your ideas, which, in my opinion, aren't dynamic and open =
to changes and aren't
ready to welcome innovations that come from ot=
her systems such as Linux, which always have
something that's wrong.=
 Some of you demonize Linux too much and you don't see the great 
am=
ount of innovations it has brought. I like both Linux and FreeBSD and I am =
sad to read
that the latter is always used less in the industry. There m=
ay be reasons, but few of you 
seem to realize that some of them are inh=
erent to their own views about how FreeBSD 
should be.

=

On Sat, Ap=
r 15, 2023 at 9:32=E2=80=AFPM Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net> wrote:
=

There are countless=
 container approaches available under Linux. None of

these approaches are mature and almost all, if not all, will be phased

out before they are mature.



I guess nobody wants to experience a Canonical and/or Google universe.



Somewhere in the Internet I found "While Docker is a container runtime=
,

Kubernetes is a platform for running and managing containers from many

container runtimes".



At next somebody will introduce a platform that does manage platforms

for platforms. An energy turnaround looks way different.






-- 
Mario.


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