From nobody Sat Apr 15 18:28:55 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzMKR1FJcz44pm4 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (mx1.enfer-du-nord.net [91.121.41.56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzMKQ5bvDz4HTq for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (p200300FB4F0367016444d811E44796C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:fb:4f03:6701:6444:d811:e447:96c2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4PzMKF617Xz1ZQC; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:29:05 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ellael.org; s=dkim; t=1681583346; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=g6YQNYNVnNDc5jOjRVrBpwUFXTCC31Iu89Zt4tRIWpo=; b=o10pEMsduwJRcUGzDisqWyv9hzKHd6ruFi2mEz51Lhnwyaudf4c/yorbc54p1fvNatw8Q8 +l2IOs+jYMBN6BEQfI9chwEwTIaZW2M1GqITOeWkW0B5lbGjXmb1R3Eb6xUToCQLNsWhL9 vm8FJ0C8UaDah+mJ8U2M08RrciT3bTYkN5aJjd7feldRzftD0PzCfscsNxp5riOvQ9QJX4 epIr2twzQt1B/l4C4OpzTmsr+dH5OuzkZQBJGoS6KROCahIfjhuNcxnSpS53sWWJCkyhHC i6U7Wmy0MFLdEyXs7b78O3+bw1tQcvxvqeHt3ogjD1kggtIYDIJnkRI6Q2zzmQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Subject: Re: Docker From: Michael Grimm In-Reply-To: <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200 Cc: Pat Maddox Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzMKQ5bvDz4HTq X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Pat Maddox wrote: > For me, FreeBSD wins big on operational simplicity. Amen > Everything I=E2=80=99ve seen of FreeBSD so far - and what strongly = attracts me to it - is that its user base skews heavily pragmatic, which = is reflected in its ongoing development and ecosystem. People will = continue to experiment with jails, develop new conventions and = techniques for working with them, and share their efforts with others. = The useful stuff will stick around and evolve, same as it has done since = the beginning of BSD. >=20 > We don=E2=80=99t need Docker=E2=80=99s tools. We can apply some of its = principles. Perhaps most of all, we can see in it many shining examples = of what NOT to do. Amen++ =46rom my point of view, I do not see any need for Docker's tools as = well. Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be = distributed by any capable admin, granted. Regadrs, Michael