Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 23:38:46 -0700
Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org> wrote:

> "I want to be clear that I am not expecting, advocating, or even implying
> any -involuntary- or -forced- re-focusing of time.  To be very clear, I

	I don't see you advocating anything else - any way for something to
happen without people dropping what they're doing to make it happen. Sure
you want them to choose to do what you want rather than being forced to do
it, but that's not happening and not likely to happen because they're goals
are not your goals. I haven't even seen a clear description of the change
you'd like to see.

	Your great linguistic pains to avoid demanding others to do things
failed to include an alternative plan to achieve your goals unless
changing their goals was it - that's the same thing at a higher level. I'm
attempting to provide you with one that stands a chance of working.

	When I say the onus is on you I mean a collective you - the group
of people who want something to happen that isn't happening they're the
ones that have to make it happen not the people busy having fun doing
something else. If such a group forms and starts doing real work then
either it will align well enough with the goals of the FreeBSD project to
become part of it (which will require negotiation) or it could be the
nucleus of a partner project like NomadBSD. 

	The first step is getting a group of people together with a common
goal which means the zeroth step is articulating clearly and precisely what
you want in a small group and spreading that consensus until it includes the
skills to make it happen.

	The FreeBSD project started because a bunch of people chatted about
how great it would be to have BSD running on a PC, they figured out what
they wanted and made it happen. They were a small enough group of people
that I can name most of them from memory (I won't because then I'll get all
embarrassed about the ones I forgot to mention) - and I've only met one of
them once!

	I believe I have understood perfectly every word you have written,
you on the other hand appear to have failed to understand me - therefore I
have tried to be clearer.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/