From nobody Sun Dec 25 04:25:51 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Nfnsm3Wkxz1J8Gk for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 04:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Nfnsm1QMRz45J8 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2022 04:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id m19so12052469edj.8 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 20:26:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7miYKR0bW+dAL6GG5PzAXlUguQLnRL0pqibPLd8gJq4=; b=DRr6wiDbRLJhE6kCxHHfJ++OFVsF1BcarFM09WxfVKvF0rtFl1zvJIdJ5WRmkM6EUd xYX24Et6ZopL89zofnt1cQTcJFi6BQ0zU9G/k5MtkciewhKlpkfDzAUkm6k+vKbAwijO S7x1401y1dCD9pXcjEUp1oCZtz0Jq0AZyY/PS7tRxbNuo1R4eRwMXby0bAui9yIMoPxn rYfGVWir5nY5gxM9NOIWZU8kNqiYv9OFPZ84ZZP0G8CPyr14X8hI3Repr03y5CnbdRx6 O6XB0uJt28PSxkCTyiAgQwB9w/C0C4Fxpwlb623Ms08c6T9oNWG9dhzze8fEYsNzd7id 0/DA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=7miYKR0bW+dAL6GG5PzAXlUguQLnRL0pqibPLd8gJq4=; b=7aeh+RUdqhHL+iaIql7cHUingTtB6x3otfzgbJetGG+gSGelY6C1I/Y7nskT716r0o gGHExDsBUf+hS6RHKtA8WE9hUeH45R0qNQ9okoRuQbB+S1mX3UYd9rJ2tTqGQQUmHqWm bFEnbEaepmOPfd8Er0wgeIzR3wg+GRko4zMLViStkL8AWxg/V3/uVWR2gegP2JV/6VAl jxB4LAg87ps+4o2FtUNAxHV/ArigSNidE6RdxZSvt5KK9ZyFcWdG1We02MP63cG1gBBM CQjCqakqBME2D2pylgt9GEo8Z05wiDlIjjgOa9FIshMP+1IN6M55VV66X/kLdbJPliwC ejJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqP72rGZBAsOpmAbWqKTFL+V8T4JbuQQxFgpye4dvlwOMJOB2Ka zDIwMj+HUmftgEMW3ThUBTExN5CfskyuGPqdzdRmZyn3eQHbsQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuXs4mhLF3NjtCRQUVli+6FeGTsMJIYgnCbyqNNkWlgKprhEkXi1P0Et9BsTmxNyo1h4rclARfe8RWEmnoQ38E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:88d:b0:463:b0de:c210 with SMTP id e13-20020a056402088d00b00463b0dec210mr1654448edy.10.1671942362178; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 20:26:02 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20221223120153244758626@bob.proulx.com> <20221224112249N@bob.proulx.com> <6198A5D4-A3CA-4D59-8947-884EE5D7F874@nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <6198A5D4-A3CA-4D59-8947-884EE5D7F874@nimnet.asn.au> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 23:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Slight OT: Making Firefox behave the same on FreeBSD and windows To: Ian Smith Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Bob Proulx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Nfnsm1QMRz45J8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 11:15 PM Ian Smith wrote: > > On 25 December 2022 12:42:43 pm AEDT, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > It seems like there are enough people with this issue that if we > > complain collectively (petition?) to chase that they might fix the > > problem on their end. Now the question is this a framework issue > > for them and if so who made the framework (i.e. so other sites work > > also) and we should complain to them. > > I think you've mis-parsed the issue, which is that some corporations seek to exclude use by their clients of products of other than those who fit their BigCorp image. > > At least they're not excluding Firefox, unlike some, but FreeBSD. Who knows why, maybe it's the "Free", maybe some big shareholder finds Beastie scary; who cares? > > No, please don't alert them - or others of their ilk - how easily we can work around their stupidity and/or cupidity. They may make it worse. > > Bob is right, and details how to fix it. With thinking like this we would still be living in caves! Seriously the only way to make an improvement is to make the powers that be aware that a problem even exists. I doubt it is "free" that makes them have a cow since they offer openoffice/libreoffice as one the upload formats they understand. According to https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide FreeBSD is not that smaller in absolute terms then Linsucks (in relative terms it is a lot smaller though). And they don't say so but my guess is 99.999...% of the linux people are actually Android users who wouldn't know what an OS or Browser is if it came and bit them. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org