From nobody Thu Dec 22 16:36:04 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NdGCj4l9Nz1G9Dt for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-x1136.google.com (mail-yw1-x1136.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4NdGCj2LxCz3qll for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yw1-x1136.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-466c5fb1c39so21421257b3.10 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:36:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=q0RISOvk9IazkxWG39RPWb+KMTR8nCOCOWED6o3Dnag=; b=ZX5FZ8miKbu9K3835giGkc1bjTzjAlkcFyJpDPyF+ZyBIBcwi+gYNjy17hgEEC/XA5 D9DVpx+1D4CEf+LuEIf26UXtC4iWxCCpK5ixuvsUFEm+flB0Pcd+YC+HSV0lrDcW69t5 JC47CQbXtcEhxuXWqOmAwllWNN/k/zBSp67FUeg99TvHmQnKd9/I2w7usoa8Sg108jc6 wizfQnZ1vX2+LDC9o+8ywFpH48tOPzRcNCrxV4dB+wBlR4jKPxYsv1Z8MSYwwO+tqkUk 4hT8OZLL4THpGAJxNILcnEyOSuX6ZdFsCiUa+5mkDDVTjWuXRrig2zdX005PJwHB03vF bt4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=q0RISOvk9IazkxWG39RPWb+KMTR8nCOCOWED6o3Dnag=; b=gc7XrY2Jv/gMQlipK/nTYAck2DAdbEssyMbOt2x/axHhrquzCtFNMTNJDSlBJH58jl QqhP9uQ91T/agzDVL4LKr4Sts8EWtMEkgMGdu6oGkQ6+3XvjYeT8c33QGAMQUVFtQbpf Z3ysD/dGs3X2LRdXtrtHN6tt5GbjxLSOavPvHO15zwi7XMwqxRvk2oWQZ8h7ij4WY3Ro gM7GUGq+HPxzGfwAtdAyHImzHFKB3OwByD0WADkb2MfNK4QMhwpG/etF6iGvOBliGsQd TO1AzFgDVS1ldEGCyY/wc1NxG1JvTxvvAjTyNe6V2iBpLO2A2rB86gvFpLUcyVPO6dNw MtXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kr5E/qJDjIIbvEiQlaxptFDd1fs0wMm4hWP6FLMuvXxunk67Deu CPWQPdziyAikR1pPiw/SZxi1BOhQ3nDEv6Hgjwi8sL8H X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXs0os9cORtXWv5/1y7CWdoFpyDo2D8Y9M+EkAkDjUFTS3duR2iJED8T7E8OpSDJt0qaAkFPcBp8gn26vg9mwBs= X-Received: by 2002:a81:4ed7:0:b0:458:af95:e719 with SMTP id c206-20020a814ed7000000b00458af95e719mr605151ywb.498.1671726975703; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:36:15 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2193562.sMrx5ctUpN@curlew> <6dacac24-722b-3148-4fe-4f925ad32840@safeport.com> In-Reply-To: From: paul beard Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:36:04 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: running FreeBSD on an iMac - solved - well sorta To: doug@safeport.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008c5ff705f06d448f" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NdGCj2LxCz3qll X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000008c5ff705f06d448f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 8:15 AM doug wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, doug@safeport.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Doug Denault wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Mike Clarke wrote: > >> > >>> On Tuesday, 20 December 2022 16:37:16 GMT Doug Denault wrote: > >>> > >>> > freebsd-update will not attempt 9.2 --> 12.3. Any way to get 10.x or > >>> 11.x > >>> > >>> > to see if that will update? Google has not, so far, turned up any 10 > or > >>> 11 > >>> > >>> > CDs in the wild. > >>> > >>> > http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ISO-IMAGES/ > >> > >> Thank you > > > > I really appreciated the feed back. It turned out what I needed was a > 700MB > > cd. That does not match the media that the 9.2 image was written on but > using > > cdrecord from cdrtools version 2022.09.18 (the current version from pkg) > > worked fine using the bootonly image. Now onto Xorg. Should be easy > right :) > > I did install 12.3, Xorg (zero issues), xfce and firefox. All that works > perfectly except cut and paste. It turns out there is a community of > people doing what I am trying to do. These are great systems even if Apple > will no longer update them. There is even a FreeBSD wiki. It turns out that > there seems to be a way to install FreeBSD as the native OS without > completely wiping the disk as I did. > > I am not sure why cut and paste seems to depend on the BIOS which is really > gone. The Apple method of booting to the BIOS does not work so I assume > some part of it (the BIOS) are physically on the hard drive. > > I have tried the native xfce clipboard app and an X11 based app getting > neither to work. Again this is me begging for ideas. My neighbor found his > installation CD so I can put OS/X back and do this the "right" to see what > happens. But if there is a way to cut and paste I have no need to do this. > > > Never tried this but I have run X natively within macOS and I remember copy/paste being a little tricky due to the one button mouse/touchpad implementation. I think there are some boot components (EFI?) on the disk on older hardware. I'm sure some FreeBSD util can expose the partition map to reveal that. So I think it can be made to work, since X works within macOS. I have FreeBSD as a guest OS on an old imac (ca 2009) but have never really used X as part of that environment. Maybe try that as a test, if you have the time/energy to tear it down and rebuild it. -- Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000008c5ff705f06d448f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 8:15 AM doug = <doug@safeport.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, doug@safeport.com wrote:

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> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Doug Denault wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Mike Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 20 December 2022 16:37:16 GMT Doug Denault wrote:<= br> >>>
>>> > freebsd-update will not attempt 9.2 --> 12.3. Any way = to get 10.x or
>>> 11.x
>>>
>>> > to see if that will update? Google has not, so far, turne= d up any 10 or
>>> 11
>>>
>>> > CDs in the wild.
>>>
>>> http://ftp-a= rchive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ISO-IMAGES/
>>
>> Thank you
>
> I really appreciated the feed back. It turned out what I needed was a = 700MB
> cd. That does not match the media that the 9.2 image was written on bu= t using
> cdrecord from cdrtools version 2022.09.18 (the current version from pk= g)
> worked fine using the bootonly image. Now onto Xorg. Should be easy ri= ght :)

I did install 12.3, Xorg (zero issues), xfce and firefox. All that works perfectly except cut and paste. It turns out there is a community of
people doing what I am trying to do. These are great systems even if Apple<= br> will no longer update them. There is even a FreeBSD wiki. It turns out that=
there seems to be a way to install FreeBSD as the native OS without
completely wiping the disk as I did.

I am not sure why cut and paste seems to depend on the BIOS which is really=
gone. The Apple method of booting to the BIOS does not work so I assume
some part of it (the BIOS) are physically on the hard drive.

I have tried the native xfce clipboard app and an X11 based app getting
neither to work. Again this is me begging for ideas. My neighbor found his<= br> installation CD so I can put OS/X back and do this the "right" to= see what
happens. But if there is a way to cut and paste I have no need to do this.<= br>


Never tried this but I have run X= natively within macOS and I remember copy/paste being a little tricky due = to the one button mouse/touchpad implementation. I think there are some boo= t components (EFI?) on the disk on=C2=A0older hardware. I'm sure some F= reeBSD util can expose the partition map to reveal that. So I think it can = be made to work, since X works within macOS. I have FreeBSD as a guest OS o= n an old imac (ca 2009) but have never really used X as part of that enviro= nment. Maybe try that as a test, if you have the time/energy to tear it dow= n and rebuild it.=C2=A0


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