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Neal" , "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: 12.4 disc 1 iso is really large Message-Id: <20221211151303.8731020f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <30F66AE4-985D-48E1-8EE7-DE4FF712CB75@gushi.org> References: <4AC6140B-2927-46C4-8405-18FA872DEAB5@gushi.org> <20221209050452.40918a6bcccb953c197ecec6@sohara.org> <20221210072243.9109d9c9.freebsd@edvax.de> <6B0B7DD7-8562-4E77-8809-768DB6E8ADFC@nimnet.asn.au> <30F66AE4-985D-48E1-8EE7-DE4FF712CB75@gushi.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ekAp0CvDyvEjkeIWiHiUMC/Cmt3OBZ7g0eMT3Vdw2+UGjTBa8tf TmGzFzhB1QoKZwkWEd/r2Xb0dUuzq0M/tpnR6MHle363sIklSSlqid17d7I713cPYqrUSHC CI0R71y8/JtHtEbVwtjg0QMEV135vFL2r8oEe1tDz8ZrpaVRmxEM8TKPGbnX0tGchvxAkFC paWduxXyVE8Eu7CCj15Bw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:NuL+NZWtbHE=;/oISM7VJ2qZiIylbkoc/dMlYe2u ZRIxg3MKvmE2Nx03XYFrZQqOoULdUo1Je9wIWQkgiEdiewL5zaTxN41CcFCAiWNG1wzDnV/nt DoJ3utiPtJD4xLYxHkatEeHzAGJpX3x9CgNpSHn9x0cjYEXtgWmpUX7dGY6C5eD+8WsWhpC2e M9YRhlu4LFB2rWovChob89hK+QPK8S1zmxMh22L6LZjzqmQnGhagISDUIayNL+F7ED85WWlr5 O2jPypUyBQTkMNBA08Pc4fnRr8z8t+vz/i3P5jOxWEzSb5Esp351yePNMOt53EAXE5KgKXfJ3 8hb/La8tKGlNVcOp2BWM/iFDvSg+giN98LZdweF5LA28S1CslwLlEERpc0kIUKM7HSmM/Tj5F p3YZVF5DWftp9saT6OCwullG2c1ZoawG9Bj8XnL82UkoCb9l/rFfA8Coua3R+fgqq3uCRlzMq CIjM3X1ksXyRxAfIYEbbNT+7wMURtdOcBoLpmDBlVzzzM7q5PbK7m4faX3E/ImTWp6/FoU0WE QXWi+Cz1rpBhnfOwVxToLcMxgEnlANHYpo03mfEvf4TcfR1vScOyU85Gq4vQZARkN3/SaRXX3 4jGFWY0Rwx/HNRm1UhFEk8nFnGzDNbRSu9Z9dQXCPH62KM1SuH+81cLmE6tf0Po6eoetz4x1i /Dp52Eidoc+2UBLdjCpgIVXC3rXjtJurtoav9s4aBw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NVRZY6mXPz4KjC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 16:58:00 -0600, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > > > > On Dec 10, 2022, at 11:47 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > > [...] > > But full installers, even without any packages, really can't; > > everything has swollen that much. Here are sizes >1MiB on > > (amd64) disc1: > > > > 2 /bin > > 2 /etc > > 3 /var > > 8 /sbin > > 13 /lib > > 156 /boot > > 812 /usr > > 993 / > > > > 3 /usr/libexec > > 19 /usr/sbin > > 20 /usr/lib > > 40 /usr/bin > > 127 /usr/share > > 605 /usr/freebsd-dist > > 812 /usr > > > > /usr/freebsd-dist has, all as .txz: > > tests 13 > > kernel 44 > > ports 45 > > lib32 62 > > kernel-dbg 83 > > src 171 > > base 191 > > total 605MB First of all, Ian, thanks for clarification. So FreeBSD ("the OS") has been subject to significant bloat, oh well... Dan, I agree with most of your statements except one: > Src is outdated as soon as it’s extracted in most cases, and > user education as to “here’s how you get the source if you > need it” would serve us better. For an offline installation, having /usr/src present is the only way you can still build a custom kernel. Remember that you don't need any online resource to do this - /usr/src is fully sufficient, as the OS contains all development tools needed. Additionally, I cannot imagine a compressed (!) src distribution should be significantly big. If you consider this, your statement about the ports collection is fully valid: > Ports basically requires an active internet connection to > build anything — putting it on the disc is largely pointless. > Portsnap is in base. Ports cannot be used without Internet connection, and in most cases, you'd check out "quarterly" or "current" anyway (or use pkg). However, I doubt the compressed ports collection, just being text files, would lead to much less disc capacity consumption... So it's time for a more efficient compression program! ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...